Man was not an accident and reflects an image and likeness unique in the created order. Those aspects of evolutionary theory compatible with this truth are a welcome addition to human knowledge. Aspects of these theories that undermine this truth, however, should be firmly rejected as an atheistic theology posing as science.
Senator Brownback, on his claim that he does not believe in Evolution. Kinda sounds like “X = Y, and any proof that this is not correct must be ignored. Any proof that X = Y is OK. This is Science”No, senator, it’s mythology.
Some people find it disturbing to look at gorillas and other apes because they cannot help seeing human expressions and emotions in their faces.
I suspect he has no idea which pieces of evidence for evolution are compatible with his creation concept and which are not. Since none of the evidence found so far contradicts the theory, perhaps he is trying to appear reasonable while rejecting everything.
It’s also self deception pandering to wishful thinking.
Brownback would fit nicely into 17th century Rome throwing heretics into the flames. One would hope that our next president would realize that pandering to the RR just gets our once great country into a whole lot of trouble. Instead the idiots that the GOP keeps propping up as candidates look more extreme than ever. Thankfully their pathetic attempt to hold on to their extremist RR base will only further alienate them from the rest of the US electorate.
Brownback tells me I have to sing, and vote for him, to change the problems of America. Yet, I feel I need to dance and go my own way to find another candidate.
Or is that another movie?
NO DANCING!!! (that’s what the jesuits told the mohawks anyway, telling them that it was a silly superstition…to suppose that dancing would appease their pagan gods was just a ridiculous fairy tale…now genuflecting, “that’s another matter all together”) Brownback’s comments certainly draw more backlash today than they would have 30 years ago(way to go young people!!!) It is good to let the stupidity out once in a while so that the rational among us can react to it. My daughter’s reaction was…”what the f%*k’s the matter with that asshole?”(i don’t know where she learned such language…probably from her mother)…but if brownback keeps talking, she’ll be swearing like a hungover marine by the primaries…and i’ll be proud as hell.
No dancing except for the Texas Two-Step for politicians, of course.
imaskeptic
I hope your daughter’s old enough to vote!
Dave
Could you PLEASE fix the typo in the thread header? It’s driving me nuts.
Throughout history have there not been both great leaders and lousy leaders of countries, companies and clubs of widely varying beliefs.
In the USA leaders (I thought) were supposed to put aside their religious beliefs and not base decisions on their personal religion but on public good (jobs, housing, long term considerations like the environment). By repeatedly stating his religious beliefs Brownback is clearly in my mind planning on breaking the law if elected to office by putting his personal religious beliefs up as the standard for decisions. Politicians can not be making decisions based on ages old religious texts translated from language to language and version to new version.
I’m so tired of suck-ass politicians lying their asses off to get power and stay there.
If a politician said “I might be hated at first but I am going to make some major changes that will not be easy to accomplish but will in the final analysis be good for not only us but the world”, “I will release all UFO files”, “I will get all non violent drug offenders out of prison and into boot camps overseen by trained therapists”, “I would raise gas tax sharply and invest this into PV and wind power”,
“I will take all pre pollution control cars off the streets”,
“If I’m caught with a hooker I’ll admit it and move on with my agenda and not wasted the country and courts time”, “I’ll ride a bicycle to work”,
would he have a chance?
my daughter votes twice she’s so pissed ….what ufo files?the files about the aliens that left home 890 million years ago and just happened to land here in time for a tv show?
Senator Brownback’s stupidity should be no surprise. He’s from Kansas and he’s a Republican.
Brownback wants the “Magic Man Done It” vote. In backward god-soaked stupid America this could be a winning strategy.
During one of the Republican debates they asked “who here does not believe in evolution” – Brownback, Tancredo (featured in this week’s Time magazine’s “10 Questions for …” segment) and Mike Huckabee all raised their hands. Here’s evidence why this move might work:
I am the teaching credential advisor for the Chem dept at a State University here in California. A student who is in the credential program called me for advising a few days ago… she just finished a BS in Biology and was in the program starting on a path towards becoming a high school biology teacher but wanted to change her focus to chemistry. The reason – “High School biology is all about evolution these days and teaching evolution is against my morals and ethics” – I assumed what she was saying was code for “I’m a creationist”. I felt like screaming into the phone “HOW CAN YOU BE A SCIENCE TEACHER WHEN YOU REJECT SCIENCE IN FAVOR OF RELIGION” but of course I was diplomatic and gave her advice on what courses to take to switch to chemistry.
sigh
cjn
You people are so funny and refreshing….and I would be a proud as hell …imaskeptic….F those dumb asses….
God…Im so repulsed by these backward thinking, prehistoric, barbarisms, and their silly superstitious dumb Government Employees…..Why is religion allowed in my governing….
This is so horrible…..Vote Religion out…..please…..
this IS an interesting lot today…Drchris, tell the student to show you the chemical composition of holy water before you admit her to your program.(if she is successful…will you send me some?)hehehe
drchris06, I wonder how many other American science teachers are god did it creationists. Your example is not qualified to teach any science, but there could be hundreds or thousands of science teachers like her. What chance does a student have to learn anything if their teacher doesn’t know what she is talking about. I just don’t think there’s any hope for America. We are doomed to have the dumbest population in the Western world forever, and we will have to continue to import scientists forever.
The problem of course is religion. It’s really amazing how god-soaked this country is. I just started a new job and above my desk area is a piece of paper with a drawing of the American flag and the words “God Bless America”. I would like to tear it down, but why risk my job? I guess I’m a coward.
BobC
Maybe you could ask whoever put it there why they are not asking gawd to bless the world rather than america only. Or ask them if what is happening presently in our once great country is a sign that their prays are or are not being answered.
I like how he said that as long as evolution doesn’t step on the bibble’s toes, everything’s ok. I see this as a baby step in the right direction. If they all stop flat out denying it and start saying, “well this part is true, but this isn’t” it’s like conceding since there’s no way to argue around the evidence.
BobC-
But also on the TV (since we have armed forces tv here…which blows ass by the way) there are commercials for god. Yeah, I know….it’s dumb. They’re put on there by the chaplains and it’s not worth it for me to go to MEO (military equal opertunity) about it, because I’ll lose and they won’t look into anything. Another atheist friend of mine and I tried this and they pretty much blew us off, saying that they can put whatever they ant on the TV.
I know how you feel. I’m in the Air Force stationed in Germany, and on the base store there a neon sign above the entrance that reads “God Bless USA” and I can’t help but laugh at the grammar
Germany on the other hand, is amazingly secular. At xmas I did not see a single nativity scene….ANYWHERE. No crosses, no nativity, no stars. It was all santa claus and christmas trees and the like. True this is the country where those traditions came from, but I expected to have to put up with xtianity a little. The holiday season is more about New Years over here in Europe. The countries here don’t have issues with stupid things like gay marriage and stem cell research and stuff. It’s all legal and being done over here. That’s why when I get out of the military I’m staying here. At least until America becomes a little less intolerant.
Ugh! The “separation of church and State”, we’re not even close to being separate and what little separation there is, is shrinking.
Religous institutions can legally perform marriage, we give billions in tax payer’s dollars to “faith-based” bullshit, the word “God” is printed on our currenty. Even more offensive is that it’s in our courts!–The words “In God We Trust”. And sadly it still remains the National Motto
The old National Motto, created in 1783, was “E Pluribus Unum” (Out of many, one.). But then in the 50’s McCarthy and his religious thugs got it changed to “In God We Trust”.
Honestly, with the bullshit blue laws, the wreckage of McCarthyism on the legal system, and now the mass destruction by the Bush Crime Family and Co., it’s a good thing that little by little, more and more people realize religion is just mythology! I just wish they’d realize it in droves and not dropletts.
Children Children…..There is hope….
That hope started with the dems winning back congress…which I think means voting out religion….
The real test for sanity will be the presidential elections….
There are a few religious nut balls that have a chance to win….my optimism says they can not win…
we can only pray…
…”atheistic theology posing as science”… What is atheistic theology? Senator Brownback just impresses me as another ignorant,shallow-minded atheophobe.
Too right, sammaorjr. Just another conspiracy theory–he thinks there is some comspiracy of atheistic scientists lying about their findings to disprove god.
**shakes head sadly**
I sure hope this isn’t the future of American politics.
sammorjr: “What is atheistic theology?”
Good question. I recently spent a year visiting a Christian blog and these people are constantly making up their own definitions of words. I kept asking them to use dictionary definitions but they didn’t get it. It was too difficult for them to understand not everyone is religious. They would say it requires “faith” to not believe in God. Christians are not very good at logic and they have very little common sense.
Dangerman, Germany sounds like a sane country. That’s the way it should be. Christmas should be renamed to Santa Claus Day. I always say “Happy Santa Claus Day” instead of the religious “Merry Christmas”.
Charlie: “There is hope.”
I wish I could be so optimistic. The problem is in America some science teachers don’t understand evolution enough to teach it properly, other teachers don’t accept evolution and they probably spread lies about it, and a very large number of American science teachers skip the evolution lessons because they are sick of being yelled at by Christian assholes. (Can I say that on this blog? That word would have got me kicked out of the Christian blog I used to visit.)
There are a small number of American science teachers who know evolution well enough to properly teach it, they know evolution should be part of every single biology lesson, and they refuse to be intimidated by Christian harassment. Unfortunately, many of these excellent teachers get nothing but grief from moron parents and brainless school administrators. This news article talks about an excellent science teacher who taught evolution the way it should be taught, but the harassment from Christian nutjobs was so intense she decided to retire one year early. After reading this any rational person would conclude Christians are scum.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/education/28education.html?ex=1309147200&en=bbcd928112ff21f9&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Be optimistic Bob…..
As paraphrased by What….The young will end this ridiculousness that is religion….
I wish I would have come up with the nick of What….
Karen is beautiful….
Charlie
The end is neigh for religion in America and the religious were their own undoing. I think that politics is turning a corner. The truley ignorant are weeding them selves out just as evolution would predict.
Dream on all ye who believe religion is on its way out. And if you think the young will end the fantasy, think again.
I’m old enough to have witnessed the time that was and the time that currently is. Trust me when I tell you that things have gotten completely out of hand.
In the last twenty years we’re seen religious nuts popping up on the scene left, right and crossways. The idea that electing a Democrat next time around is going to cure anything is wishful thinking. Yes, it will help to get St. George out of the White House, but I don’t see it curing much where the general population is concerned.
Notice, for example, that there are new churches springing up on every other corner; majestic, glorious buildings that have the look of palaces. Note too that we have teens wearing tee shirts with words like “Praise the Lord” or “Jesus is My Hero” plastered across their chests. And of course, now xians are so emboldened that they openly toss their hats in the ring politically and feel perfectly rightous as they spout god-stuff while trampling the barrier between church and state.
Sadly, they actually believe with all their beings that they are right, that their all-powerful god is directing them–and there is nothing worse than somebody who believes they are god-directed.
My advice is that we atheists might want to hold on to our hats. Things may get better one of these days, but I don’t see it as being anytime soon, and I’m betting there’s a damned bumpy road ahead.
The scary thing I wonder is… Does Brownback actually represent a particulr constituency in his native Kansas? I had the displeasure of reading an editorial of his regarding embyonic stem cell research. It is disheartening to think that people with seemingly so little knowledge regarding a subject have so much influence over that subject. I guess this is common though huh? How many peoplefighting against evolution even half way understand what they are standing against. I agree that maybe this is a first baby step. If a religious person tells me that God started evolution then maybe we can have a conversation. The fundementalists who try to deny evolution all together have their heads way the far in the sand or up their ass to even participate in a meaningful discussion. What is next? Are we wrong about gravity too?? Does God have billions of tiny fingers that he holds everything up with until he decides to drop it? Goodluck Mr Brownback. Maybe your kookery will expose he GOP. Will everyhing be great if John, Hillary or Obama are elected? NO but it has to be BETTER.
cree357, Brownback is pure creationist and obviously he’s a moron, but that’s exactly the kind of Senator the Kansas voters want, somebody as insane as they are.
GodFree&Glad, I totally agree with you. Religious insanity is just getting worse in America, and I expect it to continue to get worse. The only thing rational people can do is fight them in the courts at every opportunity or else the USA could become a theocracy. Or is it already a theocracy?
I included this and several other 2008 candidates’ quotes regarding faith and Church-State separation in a video I put on YouTube. Here it is, for anyone interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPgXbBjnUbM
My bad, I do have a quote from Brownback on there, and I thought it was this one, but it turns out I had a similar one from Newt Gingrich. I’ll have to keep this quote in mind for my next video.