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		<title>By: evilatheistconquerer</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/20/infallible_truth_changes_again/comment-page-1#comment-57694</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what this will mean for the abortion issue then.  If the only real reason the christians want people to not have abortions is so that they can be baptized and &quot;given god&#039;s grace&quot; so they can go to heaven, now they have no reason to be against abortion.  Except of course so that they can grow up and fight their wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what this will mean for the abortion issue then.  If the only real reason the christians want people to not have abortions is so that they can be baptized and &#8220;given god&#8217;s grace&#8221; so they can go to heaven, now they have no reason to be against abortion.  Except of course so that they can grow up and fight their wars.</p>
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		<title>By: alexatheist</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this on the news and hoped you would post a thread about it.&lt;br /&gt;
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So do catholics now think that all of those unbaptised babies floating around in limbo have been relocated into heaven? or do they think that this infallible doctrine of limbo was in fact wrong all along and the German Shepherd Ratzinger has corrected it?  Those kooky katholics! &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this on the news and hoped you would post a thread about it.</p>
<p>So do catholics now think that all of those unbaptised babies floating around in limbo have been relocated into heaven? or do they think that this infallible doctrine of limbo was in fact wrong all along and the German Shepherd Ratzinger has corrected it?  Those kooky katholics! </p>
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		<title>By: alexatheist</title>
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		<description>Dave &quot;I mean, really. How can people look at this and actually believe it to be true?&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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Well these are the same people who think a cracker and grape juice turns into the literal flesh and blood of a dead jew.  Then they eat and drink it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8220;I mean, really. How can people look at this and actually believe it to be true?&#8221; </p>
<p>Well these are the same people who think a cracker and grape juice turns into the literal flesh and blood of a dead jew.  Then they eat and drink it.</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
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		<description>Alex&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;So do catholics now think that all of those unbaptised babies floating around in limbo have been relocated into heaven?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard you can fit ten million fairies on the tip of a needle so there has got to be plenty of room for floating baby souls in heaven - doesn&#039;t there?&lt;br /&gt;
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The thing that I appreciate about Catholics is that mnay of them just go through the motions. It&#039;s somewhat similar to the situation with jews. Many jews are atheists just a many Catholics are as well. Instead of answering the belief question when asked they effectively take the fifth by stating that they are a catholic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now evangelicals? A whole nutter story. Inbred Phreeks, the lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex</p>
<p>&#8220;So do catholics now think that all of those unbaptised babies floating around in limbo have been relocated into heaven?&#8221;</p>
<p>I heard you can fit ten million fairies on the tip of a needle so there has got to be plenty of room for floating baby souls in heaven &#8211; doesn&#8217;t there?</p>
<p>The thing that I appreciate about Catholics is that mnay of them just go through the motions. It&#8217;s somewhat similar to the situation with jews. Many jews are atheists just a many Catholics are as well. Instead of answering the belief question when asked they effectively take the fifth by stating that they are a catholic.</p>
<p>Now evangelicals? A whole nutter story. Inbred Phreeks, the lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Apple_Christmas</title>
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		<description>What:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;The thing that I appreciate about Catholics is that many of them just go through the motions. It&#039;s somewhat similar to the situation with jews. Many jews are atheists just a many Catholics are as well. Instead of answering the belief question when asked they effectively take the fifth by stating that they are a catholic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I totally agree. I&#039;d also add that there&#039;s a sort of fatalism to Catholics who go through the motions so as not to upset the apple cart. They wither under the stern looks of condemnation from dear old Grandma who says her rosary every day and goes to church everyday since losing her husband to cancer thirty years ago. And of course there&#039;s the subtle control of the neighborhood priest who has baptized three generations of their family who have all lived in the same triple-decker at one point or another. It&#039;s mostly guilt and social/family pressures that keep so many Catholics from abandoning the trappings of their religion, when in fact they don&#039;t really believe in it anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, it also seems like a large number of out &#039;n&#039; proud atheists are former Catholics (like myself). Or at least a larger number than you&#039;d expect as a proportion of the religious population as a whole. Does anyone else see this sort of thing too, or am I just seeing things through the glasses of a former Catholic? There also seem to be a lot of Jewish atheists as well, but I think Jews become atheists as a result of an open an liberal attitude toward religion in mainstream Judaism, whereas Catholics become atheists as a reaction against a rather strict and old-fashioned (and non-sensical) dogma.&lt;br /&gt;
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But then how to explain the growth of evangelical fervor? Sigh... I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What:</p>
<blockquote><p>The thing that I appreciate about Catholics is that many of them just go through the motions. It&#8217;s somewhat similar to the situation with jews. Many jews are atheists just a many Catholics are as well. Instead of answering the belief question when asked they effectively take the fifth by stating that they are a catholic.</p></blockquote>
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I totally agree. I&#8217;d also add that there&#8217;s a sort of fatalism to Catholics who go through the motions so as not to upset the apple cart. They wither under the stern looks of condemnation from dear old Grandma who says her rosary every day and goes to church everyday since losing her husband to cancer thirty years ago. And of course there&#8217;s the subtle control of the neighborhood priest who has baptized three generations of their family who have all lived in the same triple-decker at one point or another. It&#8217;s mostly guilt and social/family pressures that keep so many Catholics from abandoning the trappings of their religion, when in fact they don&#8217;t really believe in it anymore.</p>
<p>However, it also seems like a large number of out &#8216;n&#8217; proud atheists are former Catholics (like myself). Or at least a larger number than you&#8217;d expect as a proportion of the religious population as a whole. Does anyone else see this sort of thing too, or am I just seeing things through the glasses of a former Catholic? There also seem to be a lot of Jewish atheists as well, but I think Jews become atheists as a result of an open an liberal attitude toward religion in mainstream Judaism, whereas Catholics become atheists as a reaction against a rather strict and old-fashioned (and non-sensical) dogma.</p>
<p>But then how to explain the growth of evangelical fervor? Sigh&#8230; I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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