Comments on: Abstinence education doesn’t work. let’s do it more! http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s A Blog of Atheist Thought Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:23:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Robin C. http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57452 Robin C. Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57452 Oh, no, it can't be wrong because god is on their side. They are sure that any second now it will start to work-god is just testing them. (Sarcasm in case you missed it.)<br /> <br /> Abstinence education is faith based. To admit that it is not working would be to admit that their faith is wrong about this and if their faith is wrong about this, what else is it wrong about? Oh, no, it can’t be wrong because god is on their side. They are sure that any second now it will start to work-god is just testing them. (Sarcasm in case you missed it.)

Abstinence education is faith based. To admit that it is not working would be to admit that their faith is wrong about this and if their faith is wrong about this, what else is it wrong about?

]]> By: phreedm http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57458 phreedm Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57458 With the news from the Supreme court, this thread was predictable...<br /> <br /> <blockquote>But a trade association for abstinence educators emphasized that the findings represent less than 1 percent of all Title V abstinence projects across the nation.</blockquote><br /> <br /> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/print/CTVNews/20070414/abstinence_study_070414/20070414/?hub=Health&subhub=PrintStory<br /> <br /> Sure...let's make a major decision based upon 1% of the program...<br /> <br /> Kind of reminds me of how an atheist justifies their lack of belief... <br /> <br /> With the news from the Supreme court, this thread was predictable…

But a trade association for abstinence educators emphasized that the findings represent less than 1 percent of all Title V abstinence projects across the nation.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/print/CTVNews/20070414/abstinence_study_070414/20070414/?hub=Health&subhub=PrintStory

Sure…let’s make a major decision based upon 1% of the program…

Kind of reminds me of how an atheist justifies their lack of belief…

]]> By: rdmiller3 http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57459 rdmiller3 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57459 There's a joke where the jokester sayd, "Don't think about elephants!" So of course the victim who may have been thinking of ice-cream or video-games will end up thinking, "Elephants? Why would I think about them? They're big and grey, and wrinkley..."<br /> <br /> So let's get a bunch of boys and girls together and tell them not to think about sex.<br /> <br /> Great idea for a mixer, eh? There’s a joke where the jokester sayd, “Don’t think about elephants!” So of course the victim who may have been thinking of ice-cream or video-games will end up thinking, “Elephants? Why would I think about them? They’re big and grey, and wrinkley…”

So let’s get a bunch of boys and girls together and tell them not to think about sex.

Great idea for a mixer, eh?

]]> By: rdmiller3 http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57460 rdmiller3 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57460 (Gah... early-morning typos.) (Gah… early-morning typos.)

]]> By: writerdd http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57465 writerdd Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57465 Admit you're wrong because the evidence says so? How reality-based of you. Admit you’re wrong because the evidence says so? How reality-based of you.

]]> By: RiftPoint http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57466 RiftPoint Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57466 Hey all,<br /> I figured I'd stop lurking and actually contribute to the conversations. This is a little off topic but I wasn't sure how to let you all know about this otherwise:<br /> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11663-flagellation-ritual-exposes-filipinos-to-rabies.html<br /> <br /> On topic: Understandable that we should jump to major conclusions with a study of 1% of a program, but I think its a relatively safe hypothesis that given the culture of the day a similar trend will be found throughout the entire program. But I've been wrong before, time will tell. Hey all,
I figured I’d stop lurking and actually contribute to the conversations. This is a little off topic but I wasn’t sure how to let you all know about this otherwise:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11663-flagellation-ritual-exposes-filipinos-to-rabies.html

On topic: Understandable that we should jump to major conclusions with a study of 1% of a program, but I think its a relatively safe hypothesis that given the culture of the day a similar trend will be found throughout the entire program. But I’ve been wrong before, time will tell.

]]> By: mxracer652 http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57468 mxracer652 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57468 This horse has been beat enough, just like intercessory prayer. <br /> <br /> Chalk this waste of money up there with the war on drugs. This horse has been beat enough, just like intercessory prayer.

Chalk this waste of money up there with the war on drugs.

]]> By: Bones http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57469 Bones Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57469 I have no problem with educating kids that abstinence is the only proven way to avoid pregnancy and/or std's.<br /> <br /> Why in the world do we need TWO PROGRAMS. I want to stand up and scream!!!!<br /> <br /> What we need is to educate our kids. Yes, abstinence works. It's absolutely true. OK. If you can't, or don't want to stay celibate, there's other ways that have proven to be effective most of the time. Condoms. The Pill. IUD's. <br /> <br /> Why do we continue to insist that our children are stupid? What are these "abstinence only" programs designed to do? What is the arguement against comprehensive sexual education? Who thinks it's not needed? and WHY IN THE WORLD ARE WE 'TEACHING' OUR KIDS ONLY HALF OF AN ISSUE?<br /> <br /> What a waste of money. $176,000,000 could go a long way. <br /> <br /> When we make knowledge a crime, only the criminals will have knowledge. I have no problem with educating kids that abstinence is the only proven way to avoid pregnancy and/or std’s.

Why in the world do we need TWO PROGRAMS. I want to stand up and scream!!!!

What we need is to educate our kids. Yes, abstinence works. It’s absolutely true. OK. If you can’t, or don’t want to stay celibate, there’s other ways that have proven to be effective most of the time. Condoms. The Pill. IUD’s.

Why do we continue to insist that our children are stupid? What are these “abstinence only” programs designed to do? What is the arguement against comprehensive sexual education? Who thinks it’s not needed? and WHY IN THE WORLD ARE WE ‘TEACHING’ OUR KIDS ONLY HALF OF AN ISSUE?

What a waste of money. $176,000,000 could go a long way.

When we make knowledge a crime, only the criminals will have knowledge.

]]> By: TXatheist http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57470 TXatheist Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57470 Lubbock ISD has been teaching abstinence only for more than a decade and year after year their std/pregnancy rates are double or triple the Texas average. Lubbock ISD has been teaching abstinence only for more than a decade and year after year their std/pregnancy rates are double or triple the Texas average.

]]> By: evilatheistconquerer http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/19/abstinence_education_doesn_t_work_let_s/comment-page-1#comment-57471 evilatheistconquerer Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-57471 Abstinence goes against our biology completely. We all have sexual desires and drives. To pretend they aren't there is to pretend that our blood is not red but in fact fairy magic dust. I always thought this was the stupidest shit. <br /> Even here in Alabama they taught us reality. Sure, they said abstinence was the best way to avoid pregnancy/STDs, but they still confronted reality and told us about condoms and even where to get free ones and where to get free testing for HIV. They even told us where we could get a free pack of birth control. <br /> And yes, abstinence only education is completely faith-based. I find it disgusting that these people are willing to throw their children's lives away by not teaching them how to use a condom so they end up getting pregnant or worse. <br /> I've had some friends drop out of high school because they got pregnant, or drop out and then get pregnant and it always depresses me. Yet, I've also met some very determined and intelligent girls that stayed in school even though they were pregnant and even went on to college, kept the baby too surprisingly. But I imagine they had huge support networks. Very few people are that lucky.<br /> Let's start teaching people reality. I know parents don't want to admit that their kids are having sex, but it's happening anyways. Wouldn't you rather know they are safe?<br /> My parents always had this rule that if we were living with them and having sex they would rather we did it in their own house than somewhere else where we could get caught by the police or murdered. My mother also never had a problem with us girls getting birth control. Abstinence goes against our biology completely. We all have sexual desires and drives. To pretend they aren’t there is to pretend that our blood is not red but in fact fairy magic dust. I always thought this was the stupidest shit.
Even here in Alabama they taught us reality. Sure, they said abstinence was the best way to avoid pregnancy/STDs, but they still confronted reality and told us about condoms and even where to get free ones and where to get free testing for HIV. They even told us where we could get a free pack of birth control.
And yes, abstinence only education is completely faith-based. I find it disgusting that these people are willing to throw their children’s lives away by not teaching them how to use a condom so they end up getting pregnant or worse.
I’ve had some friends drop out of high school because they got pregnant, or drop out and then get pregnant and it always depresses me. Yet, I’ve also met some very determined and intelligent girls that stayed in school even though they were pregnant and even went on to college, kept the baby too surprisingly. But I imagine they had huge support networks. Very few people are that lucky.
Let’s start teaching people reality. I know parents don’t want to admit that their kids are having sex, but it’s happening anyways. Wouldn’t you rather know they are safe?
My parents always had this rule that if we were living with them and having sex they would rather we did it in their own house than somewhere else where we could get caught by the police or murdered. My mother also never had a problem with us girls getting birth control.

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