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	<title>Comments on: Reading the Bible Leads to Violence</title>
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		<title>By: DVanWechel</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/02/reading_the_bible_leads_to_violence/comment-page-1#comment-56706</link>
		<dc:creator>DVanWechel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of research seems flawed to me.&lt;br /&gt;
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How can the researches arrive at the conclusion that violent media (whether holy books, video games, movies, etc.) lead those that identify with the material to be more aggressive/violent without taking into account the histories of the subjects?&lt;br /&gt;
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Attributing aggressive behaviors to media seems awfully simplistic. It doesn&#039;t take into account social status (whether the individuals are wealthy or poor for example), education, upbringing, emotional intelligence, etc., etc., etc., ? all of which, it seems to me, would be factors in influencing/creating aggressive personalities and behaviors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of research seems flawed to me.</p>
<p>How can the researches arrive at the conclusion that violent media (whether holy books, video games, movies, etc.) lead those that identify with the material to be more aggressive/violent without taking into account the histories of the subjects?</p>
<p>Attributing aggressive behaviors to media seems awfully simplistic. It doesn&#8217;t take into account social status (whether the individuals are wealthy or poor for example), education, upbringing, emotional intelligence, etc., etc., etc., ? all of which, it seems to me, would be factors in influencing/creating aggressive personalities and behaviors.</p>
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		<title>By: Celebrant Prince</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/02/reading_the_bible_leads_to_violence/comment-page-1#comment-56708</link>
		<dc:creator>Celebrant Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son, 17, is a self-pronounced atheist.  He also watches and plays moderately violent video games, but doesn&#039;t go in much for the extremely graphically violent ones.&lt;br /&gt;
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He understands that this is simply fantasy role-playing.  He doesn&#039;t identify with the characters beyond that.&lt;br /&gt;
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He is a very sweet, loving, caring person who deplores actual violence.&lt;br /&gt;
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He also happens to deplore the violence depicted in the Bible, because he knows that the Bible isn&#039;t touted as fiction by the general public, but rather they believe it to be historical fact.  He knows that to act violently is wrong and hurtful.  He also knows that way too many people see certain acts of violence as right and helpful because they believe God says it is.  He is very sad for these people.  He also avoids them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son, 17, is a self-pronounced atheist.  He also watches and plays moderately violent video games, but doesn&#8217;t go in much for the extremely graphically violent ones.</p>
<p>He understands that this is simply fantasy role-playing.  He doesn&#8217;t identify with the characters beyond that.</p>
<p>He is a very sweet, loving, caring person who deplores actual violence.</p>
<p>He also happens to deplore the violence depicted in the Bible, because he knows that the Bible isn&#8217;t touted as fiction by the general public, but rather they believe it to be historical fact.  He knows that to act violently is wrong and hurtful.  He also knows that way too many people see certain acts of violence as right and helpful because they believe God says it is.  He is very sad for these people.  He also avoids them.</p>
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		<title>By: FlyingWeasel</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/02/reading_the_bible_leads_to_violence/comment-page-1#comment-56710</link>
		<dc:creator>FlyingWeasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;participants read a passage adapted from the King James Bible that described a woman&#039;s brutal murder and her husband&#039;s revenge on her attackers. Half the participants were told that the passage came from the Old Testament, half that it came from an ancient scroll found by archeologists. Half the participants from each of these groups read a version of the passage that included a sentence in which God commanded his followers to take arms against others&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I wonder what &quot;adapted&quot; means...&lt;br /&gt;
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of course... the whole bible was &quot;adapted&quot; into the kings english, from versions which had been &quot;adapted&quot; by hand from one generation to the next, from versions which were &quot;adapted&quot; into latin by monks...&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess the important thing is what the students &lt;i&gt;beleived&lt;/i&gt; they were reading. ie: the word of god.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>participants read a passage adapted from the King James Bible that described a woman&#8217;s brutal murder and her husband&#8217;s revenge on her attackers. Half the participants were told that the passage came from the Old Testament, half that it came from an ancient scroll found by archeologists. Half the participants from each of these groups read a version of the passage that included a sentence in which God commanded his followers to take arms against others</p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder what &#8220;adapted&#8221; means&#8230;</p>
<p>of course&#8230; the whole bible was &#8220;adapted&#8221; into the kings english, from versions which had been &#8220;adapted&#8221; by hand from one generation to the next, from versions which were &#8220;adapted&#8221; into latin by monks&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess the important thing is what the students <i>beleived</i> they were reading. ie: the word of god.</p>
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		<title>By: st.lucifer</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/02/reading_the_bible_leads_to_violence/comment-page-1#comment-56713</link>
		<dc:creator>st.lucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Violent stories that teach moral lessons or that are balanced with descriptions of victims&#039; suffering or the aggressor&#039;s remorse can teach important lessons and have legitimate artistic merit. But taking a single violent episode out of its overall context, as we did in these studies, can produce a significant increase in aggression.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But there is hardly any Biblical violent stories that balance it with descriptions of remorse or suffering. That is, unless the suffering is jewish (OT) or christian (NT).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Violent stories that teach moral lessons or that are balanced with descriptions of victims&#8217; suffering or the aggressor&#8217;s remorse can teach important lessons and have legitimate artistic merit. But taking a single violent episode out of its overall context, as we did in these studies, can produce a significant increase in aggression.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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But there is hardly any Biblical violent stories that balance it with descriptions of remorse or suffering. That is, unless the suffering is jewish (OT) or christian (NT).</p>
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		<title>By: cry4turtles</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/04/02/reading_the_bible_leads_to_violence/comment-page-1#comment-56714</link>
		<dc:creator>cry4turtles</dc:creator>
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		<description>DVan, excellent points.  However, common sense keeps poking me in the shoulder and telling me that consistent exposure to violence, especially sanctioned violence without conseqenses, has to have some kind of desensitizing effect.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, did you see the Chinese delegate that flinched when there was an explosion?  He was ready to hit the ditch!  The Middle Eastern delegates who were standing next to the Chinese fella never batted an eyelash.  My guess--they were used to it, and quite desensitized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DVan, excellent points.  However, common sense keeps poking me in the shoulder and telling me that consistent exposure to violence, especially sanctioned violence without conseqenses, has to have some kind of desensitizing effect.</p>
<p>For example, did you see the Chinese delegate that flinched when there was an explosion?  He was ready to hit the ditch!  The Middle Eastern delegates who were standing next to the Chinese fella never batted an eyelash.  My guess&#8211;they were used to it, and quite desensitized.</p>
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