Today’s NYT has an article on yet another free-for-all on Science v. Religion that should be enjoyable reading for NoGodBloggers. And yet, the real fight has nothing to do with who is right: Science or Religion. The real fight is over Theocracy v. Freedom. Religion exists for one purpose and that purpose is to inflict the authority of religion over people and put an end to intellectual freedom in the world.Why do religious organizations want prayer in schools? Easy, to show our children that they have the power over the secular government and the First Amendment. The schools are provided by our tax dollars and the secular governments we create. When Virginia started its moment of silence in all public schools, the religious organizations in Virginia were ecstatic. They showed the world and our children that it is the religious organizations who have power over our lives and the ability to exert their authority even against the U.S. Constitution ban on establishment of religion.Why do religious organizations want the Ten Commandments posted in schools and in court houses around the country instead of the Bill of Rights? Easy, to demonstrate their authority over our civil rights and freedoms. Unless we stand up and fight these freedom hating religious organizations around the world, we will continue to live in the Dark Ages.Peter Nuhn
DD, Zactly ….
So Dropout…who’s your sheperd?
Phreedom,
We don’t have shepherds, don’t you get it?
Another explanation of “god” for jesus freaks. This from the series “Lucky Louie”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l56b60FT1iw&mode=related&search=
Here Louie answers his daughter’s questions. “Why”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9OAuO5mDQw&mode=related&search=
The following is a letter I wrote to Channel 33 out of Youngstown OH.
Dear General Manager,
I was watching your station this Sunday morning, and I couldn’t believe my ears. I believe the Van Impe guy and his concubine were on. Van Impe said that women should submit to their husbands and that if a woman refuses to say she will submit, he would not marry her. His concubine agreed, therefore revealing that her brain never exceeded the size of a pea.
The Van Impes’ have a right to their own lifestyle (YUCK!), but is this the message YOU want YOUR viewers to be exposed to? What would Gina and Angee say about the Impe creed? (their nightly news anchors)
The Van Impes are archaic and very offensive (are all religious shows this ridiculous?) The fact you allow this garbage to air on your station means I will not be tuning in any more. I guess it’s no great loss for you though, but I have the right to MY lifestyle (that includes freedom, equality, and cooperation between men and women).
The Van Impes are lost in the 50s (the 1850s!). I hope your station finds the courage to discard their nonsense.
Thank you for your valuable time;
Gina Harry
Think I’ll get a response?
HZ
Ah, indeed. For how can we find out how fast it travels, if at first we don’t define it, or discover if it is even real?
Peter, I would like to add to your comment about religion’s purpose and be more specific and introduce to you (although you may have already heard it or come to the same conclusion) what may be a new concept of nonTruth.
David, perhaps you can bring this concept up in one of the blog entries.
Religion is here to control people.
It controls them via fear and impossible promises.
It utilizes money and brainwashing as tools to accomplish these tasks.
Now for the introduced concept. While other philosophers have come up with this concept before myself, I came up with this on my own before I knew of them.
TIME IS NOT REAL.
Here are my arguments. You cannot touch it, see it, feel it or have any other sense that actually involves it.
But most of us believe it is real. Why? The same as religion. Because we were brainwashed to believe it. Where? In school and in the bible. God created the days and a Sunday for bringing in money to control people.
But you argue the days, the years.
A day is a full 360 degree rotation of the earth. Nothing more. Nothing less. If the earth spins faster (which it once did) than time as we currently understand it, is lost.
A year does not equal 365 days but it almost does and yet it never equals 365 days. A year is mearly what we undertand as one orbit of the earth around the sun. Nothing more. Nothing less. It does not sping 365 times exactly in one orbit and likely never will.
Why does it take everyone so long when they are young, to undertand the concept of time? Because it isn’t real. If we lose track of what day it is, how do we know what day it is? We don’t. Therefore there really aren’t any days. i.e. if everyone falls a sleep for several days and all clocks stop, noone knows what time it is nor what day it is… nor what month it is. (why are there other calendars?)Nor what year it is. The year 2006 is just 2006 orbits since we started counting. Why do we count? So religion and government can collect your tax money. (You see, religion and government have been in bed with each other for a long, long time) Why every seven days? Probably because in the first bibles, 10 days didn’t work, because people forgot to go to church or the churches weren’t making enough money. Why not 5 days? Probably because people didn’t give enough money so seven days became the time when people gave the most money.
Anyway, this time goes back to the bible and we and scientists need to start removing this idea from our thought patterns. But… one says, so many things relate to time. Well, we can use the word duration as a replacement. It’s kind of a catch 22. Like religion/evolution, we can’t fully prove either one, but that doesn’t give us the right to make things up.
If people say time is real, stand up and prove it or quit it. And things based upon duration, don’t prove time, nor like the bible, because the story has been told and told, does it exist? That’s not proof.
But I will summarize, TIME IS NOT REAL.
TIME is a concept that we use for many reasons but even daylight savings time should prove to most that this is not real. The fact that we set are clocks at 24 different times around the world is another proof. Is it ever the same time in one spot as the other? hmmm Where does the universe end?
The next summarization is that if you don’t believe in the bible (which I don’t), you should not believe that days nor weeks nor years exist either.
This may be common knowledge to many of you (us). After all, this group obviously has a higher intelligence than the majority of beings.
However, even talking without time, is very difficult.
After… When … Before..hmm.
This also throws out the theory that if something travels the speed of light, time will slow.
While yet time really doesn’t exist and it was difficult to comprehend the concept, it is even more difficult to find a way to live without the concept and worst of all you can be thrown in jail because of time. Just try not paying your taxes on time. Also so many physical properties rely on durations. But a second isn’t real. We made this up. It could have been any other unit just like a meter or a foot which we also made up.
Oh well ponder this at night WHILE pondering where the universe ends.
posterelli2
Since you mentioned the speed of light, I have a question for you.
What is the speed of dark?
karen,
perhaps an even more profound question
;
“What is dark?”
posterelli:
Tell that to my achin’ bones, or my gray hairs. Or the crows’ feet deepening where I blink.
No, it would be re-calibrated.
If memory serves, relativity (or is it QM?) stipulates that time rolls over us in waves, each minute a crest in the tide, flowing onwards. Where? Who knows?
Your theory has the flavor of the Hindi/Buddhist concept of Maya, the illusion of the world.
If we relinquish the concept, does this mean we’ll never grow old? Be effectively immortal? Is all our aging relegated to the grip of pernicious gravity?
“Time is the bridge of ashes each man must cross” – Zelazny.
karen:
Easy. Zero.
HZ:
Simple enough: absence of light.
“There is a crack in everything
That’s how the light gets in. “
- Leonard Cohen
KA
Ummmm….is that in MPH or Kilometers?
Careful K,
A christian would read Leonard a different way. They have a tendency of late to find synonyms where they need them. Faith=belief/ Light=truth/ Truth=god
In fact I saw a sign in front of a church today. All it said was “Truth”, including the quotation marks.
remy
“Truth” including the quotation marks on a church sign-I love it!
I wonder if any of the parishioners saw the irony in it?
remy:
Let them interpret anyway they please. They do anyways.
I, for 1, refuse to let them drain my vocabulary of references that cross borders.
It’s bad enough they have too much control of the world’s affairs. They shan’t take my language away from me. Or control it.
karen:
It’s any measurement you choose, darlin’. It’s all relative anyways, ain’t it? Hehehehe.
remy:
AAMOF, you might be interested in my post on Feuerbach. He stipulated that all religion is in some degree, man’s self-worship.
& he used theistic language to do so, even though he was an atheist.
Thanks K,
I have heard the name but I know nothing. Religion as man’s self worship sounds about right. I’ll check it out.
Hi Karen,
Irony seems to permeate religious thought but I doubt they notice.
posterelli2, What you been smokin’?
Time most certainly does exist. What you have a beef with I think is time measurement. A second a unit of time, it doesn’t matter how a second is defined as long as everybody else is on the same page when you are talking seconds, just as a meter is a unit of length. What is time then? You said that you can’t see time I beg to differ, look in the mirror day after day do you not see a difference? You said you can’t feel time, try telling that to your growling stomach when you haven’t eaten for 3 days or your straining muscles when hanging from the monkey bars for a while. Time is important in that it sets a direction, it is a powerful abstract concept that is required for any interaction to occur. Without time we would not exist for existence depends upon time. A favorite question that is asked is what was before the big bang? And the answer is that the question is irrelevant since time was created with the big bang. Time is a point of reference that defines the before, now and after. Astronomy looks back in time every single day when they examine light that has taken billions of years to reach us from the remotest parts of the visible universe. To doubt that time exists is to doubt ones own existence.
Life is a one-way street and we are only here for one time. Science will always supercede any and all religions, I feel.
posterelli, time is the fourth dimension. If you don’t believe time can be felt, go eat a couple grams of shrooms and glance at the clock every few minutes.