Comments on: Is this us in a few years? http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years A Blog of Atheist Thought Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:18:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Zac Hunter http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46805 Zac Hunter Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46805 To whom it may concern:<br /> <br /> I am writing this letter today to voice my support for the Romanian Humanists in their effort to fight legislation that would ban or limit criticism of certain religions. In the modern world, such an act can only be seen as barbaric and primitive. The freedom to speak an opinion is equivalent indeed as the freedom to hold an opinion. Thankfully, as yet, no nation has ever legislated against a 'thought crime' but to deny the basic freedom of expression, however distasteful it may be, is hardly different from barring an individual from holding such a dissenting opinion. This form of psychological and social domination via the limitation of free expression is always the first step towards totalitarianism; something I am quite sure Europeans of any stripe would hesitate to see repeated in history.<br /> <br /> With Regards,<br /> Zac Hunter To whom it may concern:

I am writing this letter today to voice my support for the Romanian Humanists in their effort to fight legislation that would ban or limit criticism of certain religions. In the modern world, such an act can only be seen as barbaric and primitive. The freedom to speak an opinion is equivalent indeed as the freedom to hold an opinion. Thankfully, as yet, no nation has ever legislated against a ‘thought crime’ but to deny the basic freedom of expression, however distasteful it may be, is hardly different from barring an individual from holding such a dissenting opinion. This form of psychological and social domination via the limitation of free expression is always the first step towards totalitarianism; something I am quite sure Europeans of any stripe would hesitate to see repeated in history.

With Regards,
Zac Hunter

]]> By: flanonblvr http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46814 flanonblvr Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46814 hey we may have found a place for the disrupters (jcc and phreedm) to live happily ever after. hey we may have found a place for the disrupters (jcc and phreedm) to live happily ever after.

]]> By: Deadly Doomham http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46816 Deadly Doomham Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46816 Imagine the world if nobody was allowed to speak out against idiotic ideas!<br /> <br /> My atheism hasbeen assaulted almost daily since kindergarten; the only difference is that Science and Reason can easily hold their own against morons armed with superstition. Imagine the world if nobody was allowed to speak out against idiotic ideas!

My atheism hasbeen assaulted almost daily since kindergarten; the only difference is that Science and Reason can easily hold their own against morons armed with superstition.

]]> By: pixel http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46818 pixel Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46818 Wow! Scary. I think there are some laws like this in place in the UK. (Alex, can you confirm?) I remember hearing about it this summer when I was over there.<br /> <br /> To paraphrase Robert Heinlein: "The price of peace <i>(and freedom)</i> is eternal vigilance." Wow! Scary. I think there are some laws like this in place in the UK. (Alex, can you confirm?) I remember hearing about it this summer when I was over there.

To paraphrase Robert Heinlein: “The price of peace (and freedom) is eternal vigilance.”

]]> By: brodie http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46820 brodie Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46820 This sounds like something Dobson and the like would like to do here. Let's hope this kind of lunacy doesn't spread.<br /> <br /> Now is this against criticism of all religions or just the one the politicians belong to? Cause I can't see the different religions not criticizing each other. This sounds like something Dobson and the like would like to do here. Let’s hope this kind of lunacy doesn’t spread.

Now is this against criticism of all religions or just the one the politicians belong to? Cause I can’t see the different religions not criticizing each other.

]]> By: Frying Pantheist http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46832 Frying Pantheist Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46832 Pixel:<br /> <br /> <blockquote>Wow! Scary. I think there are some laws like this in place in the UK. (Alex, can you confirm?) I remember hearing about it this summer when I was over there.</blockquote><br /> <br /> There was an attempt to get a "relgious hatred" (Or words to that effect) act passed through parliament that would have had similar effect. The vote actually came not long after the Mohammed cartoons debacle and I was quite worried that this would be enough to push it through. Thankfully though it was voted down so there is still some pretense of free speech.<br /> <br /> Technically there is a law against blasphemy on the books too but it is never enforced - it's a victimless crime anyway. Pixel:

Wow! Scary. I think there are some laws like this in place in the UK. (Alex, can you confirm?) I remember hearing about it this summer when I was over there.

There was an attempt to get a “relgious hatred” (Or words to that effect) act passed through parliament that would have had similar effect. The vote actually came not long after the Mohammed cartoons debacle and I was quite worried that this would be enough to push it through. Thankfully though it was voted down so there is still some pretense of free speech.

Technically there is a law against blasphemy on the books too but it is never enforced – it’s a victimless crime anyway.

]]> By: david715 http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46836 david715 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46836 Let's muzzle Dobson, and Falwell, and Robertson, and all those freaks!!! Let’s muzzle Dobson, and Falwell, and Robertson, and all those freaks!!!

]]> By: mxracer652 http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46838 mxracer652 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46838 Speaking of civil liberties, those ACLU assholes are fighting city ordinances that ban feeding homeless people (including church run events).<br /> <br /> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15463787/<br /> site/newsweek/?GT1=8618 Speaking of civil liberties, those ACLU assholes are fighting city ordinances that ban feeding homeless people (including church run events).

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15463787/
site/newsweek/?GT1=8618

]]> By: won2have http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46839 won2have Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46839 General Question? <br /> I am a Christian. I am looking for a solid argument from reason about the definition of "no god theology", if you will. Can anyone offer resources, links or even your own interpretation? <br /> <br /> Also is faith the same as believing in god to an atheists. I mean faith, that the trust of something unsee/knowable could be probable or actual.<br /> <br /> thanks,<br /> General Question?
I am a Christian. I am looking for a solid argument from reason about the definition of “no god theology”, if you will. Can anyone offer resources, links or even your own interpretation?

Also is faith the same as believing in god to an atheists. I mean faith, that the trust of something unsee/knowable could be probable or actual.

thanks,

]]> By: karen http://atheists.org/blog/2006/10/30/is_this_us_in_a_few_years/comment-page-1#comment-46844 karen Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-46844 won2have<br /> There is no "no god theology".<br /> There is no dogma that goes along with a disbelief in gods. Very simply, the argument from reason is that there is no proof that any gods exist. <br /> <blockquote>Also is faith the same as believing in god to an atheists. I mean faith, that the trust of something unsee/knowable could be probable or actual.</blockquote><br /> Trust in the unseeable/unknowable is faith. I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that I will not go flying off the earth from a lack of gravity. That is based on seeable/knowable evidence of past experience, however, and is not set upon the words in a book written by anonymous men over 2000 years ago. <br /> Having faith that there is a heaven, or god or anything the Bible promises is not based on reliable data or evidence.<br /> won2have
There is no “no god theology”.
There is no dogma that goes along with a disbelief in gods. Very simply, the argument from reason is that there is no proof that any gods exist.

Also is faith the same as believing in god to an atheists. I mean faith, that the trust of something unsee/knowable could be probable or actual.

Trust in the unseeable/unknowable is faith. I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that I will not go flying off the earth from a lack of gravity. That is based on seeable/knowable evidence of past experience, however, and is not set upon the words in a book written by anonymous men over 2000 years ago.
Having faith that there is a heaven, or god or anything the Bible promises is not based on reliable data or evidence.

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