I’m not the guy who rejoices in the despair of others — unless it’s the religious right. It’s no surprise the GOP mocks them behind their backs, and I’m sure Bush jokes have been told at the Fallwell dinner table, but I just LOVE to see their relationship hurting. And I don’t feel guilty for feeling great. The religious right have been mislead, and they have mislead their sheep, er, flock as a result. But I guess the flock should be used to that by now.Get active and get ready folks, our rebound is beginning. The Bush presidency is the height of the god-push, and now we will push back. This is going to be fun.
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But they believe god put shrubby in office. How much do you really think this will affect them?
And how can they get used to something they’re blissfully unaware of? I doubt they’d really think about if their leaders were misleading them.
Of course politicians are using them, that’s what politicians do.
Don’t forget. It is not just their leaders, but their preachers that are misleading them.
And who is supposed to fix all this mess up, again? The Democrats? waa haa…LMAO…as IF this weren’t a joint effort…At this point, Lyndon LaRouch or Ross Perot are beginning to look better and better…
Sorry, but no hope left as I see it!
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity”
billh,
I would call preachers, ministers, rabbi etc. the leaders of their sheeple.
darwinluvsu,
Exactly, the democrats are pandering to the exact same crowd to try and sway them to their side. They are no better. But the evangelicals, I know my friend does, think the republicans are “god’s party”. My friend had a “baptist for bush” bumper sticker. He votes straight republican, no matter who they are.
It is in the nature of many in the religious right to hold their chosen leaders infallible. Just look over Phreedm’s posts.
I don’t know how much of an effect the current problems in the Republican Party will have on the “god push”. I guess we’ll all know if there is truly a shift in the other direction in about a month.
Sadly, from listening to the campaign ads for the locals running for office, I don’t see a whole lot of choice as far as putting in new blood without the conservative sway. The Dems are pandering to that aound here, and there aren’t many -if any- 3rd party choices in most of the runnings.
But I’ll do what I can with my vote in November.
karen, I’m dealing with the same thing here in CO. I don’t see much in the way of new blood, and those that are out there are pandering to whomever they are addressing.
I saw our DEM candidate for the 7th congressional district (incumbent is Marilyn Musgrave – Ms. Marriage Amendment). In her latest TV commercial, she is prominently wearing a large CROSS necklace. I mean it’s obviously there to make a point.
I’m embarrassed completely that I’m represented by someone of Musgrave’s character, but her opponent isn’t much of an improvement, IMHO.
The 3rd party candidates are probably our best choices. Sad that they have -0- chance of winning, due in part to the lack of media interest in their candidacies.
You won’t believe what my brother-in-law said this weekend. He is strong baptist. We were discussing the Folley issues and he said that he would vote for Folley and all the republicans because “a bad republican is still better than a great democrat!” Yes, is follows his preacher and his bible following president.
What a said state to be in.
Bones
Right. Some Dems here make a point to say they are “conservative” or have a church in the background of a photo-op shot.
3rd parties don’t have a chance, but I’m wondering if there might be more votes for them this time around, giving them more momentum for next time.
After DuKnit’s loopy B-i-l’s comment though, I’m worried about “wasting” a vote on 3rd party candidates. Not that I have many 3rd partiers to vote for anyhow…but what to do?
Just look at the results and comments from a recent opinion poll.
72% of Americans say the president should have strong religious beliefs
65% say churches should endorse candidates
51% say churches should express views on political matters
41% say there is too little expression of faith and prayer by political leaders
“The candidate I am going to vote for is the right guy from that standpoint. Each time he has a speech he puts God in there and I like that,”
“I will ask my Father, my master Jesus Christ what man I would like to have [as president]“, he said. “Which man believes in Jesus Christ the most?”
I choose in my own heart to believe that we are all made in Christ’s image, but if I think something is wrong I really will speak out, and I think this country is on the wrong track,we need God back in charge”
So let your invisible friend in the sky make the vote for you.
I don’t much care for the dem’s anymore than the gop, but their the lesser of two evils that auctally has a freaking chance of winning.
The only thing to do is sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch the Republicans drop like flys.
It’ll take time, but someday it’ll get to the point when public oppion changes enough that we can get some of our people in office.
What they mean is Christian beliefs.
Let’s see them elect a buddhist, a rastafarian, a muslim, or even a jewish president.
Then I assume they are all for taxing of the churches, since the want to do away with SOCAS. And then, the gov’t. can decide what can and can’t be disseminated within the churches….
The comments are scary, but typical.
Make a choice based on fiction and who can fool you the best.
Bones and karen:
About the 3rd-party candidates not having a chance, I agree and it’s frustrating. I know a lot of people would vote for a 3pc except they know they won’t win. I bet they would have a chance though if everyone who felt this way did vote for them. But I understand, it may not be worth the risk because you know it would take votes away from the dems and the republicans might win.
sigh…
Regarding third-party candidates…
I think that in most cases the third party can’t win, not because people wouldn’t vote for them, but rather people don’t know anything about them. They are eliminated as viable candidates because most can’t spend the tens of millions the RP and DP spend on their candidates. And as someone else pointed out, the media rarely gives third-party candidates air time of any kind, lessening awareness further.
Until the playing field is leveled in the way candidates can spend money for their campaigns, third-party candidates will seldom be able to compete.
I have voted libertarian or anti incumbant for at least 12 yrs now. I know they don’t have much of a chance now, but I have to vote my consience.
I can’t forget Democrats violated the constitution giving bush the opportunity to terrorize the world.
god is fake
bilgepumper,
I have mixed feelings about your voting your conscience at the polls. I too would vote libertarian, but know the system doesn’t work enough such that it would even remotely count. It sucks, but I’ve gotta vote Dem every time… for me, it’s the choice between fascism and communism. sigh (again).
3E8,
Sorry, but I feel the dems are an integral part of our fascist system, but I can see your point.
bilge
bilge,
Truey, the lines are beginning to blur as the Dems are catching on to what ’sells’ politically in this country.
I blame it on the bipartisan system, but I still stick to my perception that if I vote my conscience, then the choice narrows down to one option: fascism. So long as the system exists as it does, I can at least keep the two factions competing for our attention instead of letting the worse of the two evils in charge of my gov’t.
3E8
“I think that in most cases the third party can’t win”
Third party candidates can and often do win on the local level! Vote Libertarian locally and Democratically nationally this November and we can turn this country around before it is too far down the wrong road.
Alex,
That’s exactly what I do, actually. Good call.
3E8
Might I remind everyone of what i written in John’s revelations, as well as what Nostradomas said:
The “antichrist” will appear as one who is sent from god, and will rule in his name.
Yes, that’s paraphrasing, and I don’t actually believe in any of the prophecy crap, but I think that W fits that description.
Let’s see if the religious right finally sees that huckster for what he is.
BTW, FUCK the Libertarians. They worship the almighty dollar and would sell out all of humanity for their own greed. The only reason they’ve never been able to become a major political force is because the republican co-opted their message.
And if they did run the country, we would all be in the same boat we’re in right now.
Maybe the information age will help move people away from the make believe………..
One Nation ….. Humanity ….
Libertarians do indeed have economic conservatism as a central tenant but their message of letting people do pretty much whatever we want with minimal government interference sure resonates with me and is in direct contrast to both the Left and Right’s desire to control people’s personal lives. I should be able to own a gun, marry a man, not have my tax money support religion or affirmative action, have access to stem cell research, not be subject to wire tapping without a court order, not have to censor myself in regards to WWII history or racial issues, not have to obey blue laws, have legal access to recreational drugs, be able to pay for or have someone pay me for sex, not have to pay to support healthcare, education, and other public services to illeagle immigrants who dare to come into my country and expect me to adapt to the new language, culture, and Third World lifestyle they bring, and I should be able to not wear a seatbelt or motorbike helmet if I so choose and eat whatever the fuck I want without a nanny state telling me what’s good or bad for me. I still believe that America can be the beacon of freedom it once was but not with big Republican and xian Right government and out of control military spending for an unwinnable and immoral war and untold financial debt to the Chinese. America should look to the Netherlands for a model of what a truly free society looks like.
Make sure to also vote out the Democratic incumbents in November and send a strong message that we want a change and kicking their arses to the kerb is good place to start. (Rant over)
Ratty, You don’t understand or know enough about libertarians if that is what you think we/they are all about. This is the same prejudice that “gods” people (GOP) use on a daily basis. Learn a bit about which you speak before running your mouth please.
Rat Bastid, I’d recommend reading a little Ayn Rand before passing judgement, eh? Your hackneyed phrasing shows very little original thought. Nobody I know in their right mind worships money… it would appear that you’re projecting your own personal standard there.
Gee Dave…I believe I hear a prayer in your statement. I guess you’ve bought into the “hope” of the main stream media.
Do yourself a favor…look deep into the polls that you’re reading….
**** OFF TOPIC ****
I guess both of them have trouble telling the truth…
***WARNING****
Reading this story may cause shortness of breath and/or fainting…proceed at your own risk…
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/nyregion/17hillary.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Dave,
As phreedm suggests, you SHOULD “look deep” into the polls you’re reading. I’m sure there you’ll discover an array of answers to questions that have gone unanswered far too long. What is the unifying theory of everything? Why is there something instead of nothing? How does one eliminate the brown streaks from one?s underwear? That sort of stuff. It is in those polls that the secrets of the universe are kept – as phreedm so cryptically suggests in his post.
Or, Phreedm, were you referring to some vast anti-republican conspiratorial element that nearly every legitimate poll is perpetuating leading up to the mid-terms?
loved this:
phreddy,
That was the dumbest link you’ve ever posted, and that’s saying a lot. There’s a difference between lying about where your name came from and lying us into a war. Who cares where she got her name?
Fun, yes David is right. it will be fun, as long as the American people in my country can be smart enough to vote somebody in with a working brain.
Unfortuately brains evolve too but in a very slow and painful process at least for all too many concerned. I suspect that many Americans are capable of making good political choices but are either too lazy to give the matter enough adequate thought or are too caught up with what is abstract to to do what should matter most.
hominid,
Now there is a truth right there. At least you know what you’re doing. Spread your wisdom to those with open ears and maybe you will make a change.
Phreedm, I have to agree with brodie, as there is a HUGE difference in lying about where your name came from and screwing America over.
Even though I haven’t gotten on this site that much, I’ve seen your posts. And that whole thing about how Hillary Clinton WASN’T named after some guy (gasp) was the second most retarded thing I’ve ever read. Who cares where the hell she got her name from. If you REALLY cared where people got ideas from, then you wouldn’t be a Christian.
After all, the Bible beat that article in my list of retarded print things. I read the entire article and after that I thought, “That was retarded.” I don’t even have to read the entire Bible to know it’s retarded.
“What’s worse? Screwing an intern or screwing the country?”
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(I got that off of a magnet at Record And Tape Traders
Bones:
I LOVE THAT QUOTE!
many on this site resent state and local laws that control personal behavior.
you guys need to realize that there are atheists who are social conservatives too.what some of you see as liberty others see as anarchy or hedonism.