http://thebibleletter.com/Thanks Freakgirl!This is a great idea to stop Wal-Mart from peddling hate-filled violent smutt to our children. This is far more dangerous than any other book or video game because people have been known to kill — by the thousands — based on what this book tells them to do. Oh yeah….
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From remy: “Sometimes satire is the only way to get the point across. Please re-read Davids post carefully.”
I watch the Daily Show and the Colbert Report. Funny stuff. The anti-Bible petition to Wal-Mart is just whiny.
What’s the point I’m supposed to get? Wal-Mart management, like most of our parents’ generation, has a low tolerance for expletives, nudity and gratuitous violence, and they draw lines of acceptability like everyone else, including free-speech liberals. Would I prefer that the Daily Show not get bleeped like a pinball machine, and that the war-mongering Bush administration get their civilian-murdering asses impeached? You bet. But this petition isn’t going to do it. It won’t make the Republican apocalyptic army think, it doesn’t make me laugh, it’s nothing that hasn’t been projected ad nauseum to deaf ears for years.
Whiny liberals, whiny atheists. Hmm… maybe it’s easy.
As a general rule, I too don’t shop at WalMart or Sam’s Club. I get all of my groceries from Winn Dixie down the street, and fill my car up somehwere else.
One reason I don’t like WalMart is because it tends to drive the smaller guys – including some national chains – out of business (Microsoft does this too, but probably to an even larger degree).
I also don’t like the censoring that WalMart does. When I was downloading music a while ago from WalMart’s site, several of the artists I liked were not available, because Walmart deemed them “inappropriate”.
If WalMart is going to restrict what music groups they will carry because their music is “inappropriate”, then why should WalMart carry a book that is filled with incest, rape, murder, slaughter, deceit, blood sacrifices, etc. and that commands us to kill gays, people who work on Sunday, kids who don’t honor their mother or father, as well as telling us to hate our parents and children?
I’ll sign it.
PS: I like your monicker.
I was signer number 1,771.
You do know who Gerald Joyce is right, DNAunion? Well, personally, he has helped me reject the idea of the Judeo-Christian God intervening in nature. He has demonstrated the efficacy of Darwinian evolution to create novelity in evolving systems. Well, Joyce doesn’t deserve a Nobel Prize for this because there is better evidence for the fact evolution occuressuch as genetic homology, but he has made some groundbreaking contributions in the field of nucleic acid catalysis and evolution. So from reading his work, he has helped me come to the conclusion that an intelligent designer is superfluous and counter-intuitive. I am only a teenager, but I do hope that one day
I will be able to work with him.
Well, I could tell you one more thing Joyce: He would make a better God than the Judeo-Christian God. At least he is not an egomaniac who is jealous (see Exodus 34:14), nor does he demand people to murder entire villages at his own whim. Laconically, Joyce is not an asshole, unlike the Judeo-Christian God.
Want to get in to contact via e-mail. I have been lurking around here and you are quite insightful.
Hmm… there is always some controversy around the Grand Theft Auto games, but the Bible is just as vile.
Whoa! This has to be a joke. You seem to have some sort of misunderstanding about what the conversation is.
We’re not trying to replace gods with men. We don’t think gods exist. Personally, I don’t think we should entertain any ideas about deification, because that is the seed of totalitarianism.
If this GeraldJoyce thing is just snark, then you got me. If not, you need some psychiatric help.
Well, I know he has done a lot of experimentation on nucleic-acid catalysis as relating to the origin of life, and a while ago he created a continuously evolving system of nucleic acids (at the time, researchers had to manually intervene after each round of replication to setup the next round). You obviously already know this from your later statements.
I don’t know anything about his views on religion.
My e-mail is rpierson@sw.rr.com
I can’t keep up constant conversations: as you probably noticed, I haven’t posted here in several weeks. (I work fulltime during the day, and this semester am taking microbiology and tutoring college algebra and organic chemistry at night. I also post at another atheist site that has a science-specific forum.)
Yup, you’re right it is a joke. My point is that practically anyone would make a better God than the Judeo-Christian God. The Judeo-Christian God reminds me of Grand Moff Tarkin.
Well, for all practical purposes, I am an atheist (so Joyce is not God), but I am somewhat agnostic towards the existence of a deistic God, but we have enough knowledge to rule out the existence of the gods of many “revealed” religions.
Well, Joyce’s research allowed me to slice the idea of God intervening in biology with Ockham’s razor. So, thank you, Professor Joyce.
“The Judeo-Christian God reminds me of Grand Moff Tarkin”
Hehe, that’s awesome on so many levels. What does that make JC? Thrawn?
Yup, you’re right it is a joke. My point is that practically anyone would make a better God than the Judeo-Christian God. The Judeo-Christian God reminds me of Grand Moff Tarkin.
Just checking to make sure this wasn’t some new doomsday cult. I’m an artist (screenprinter, really) and don’t follow science like I really should. I dabble in it, but nowhere near some on here are into.
Um, can we get back to Wal Mart, please?
I agree with Esperdome. Wal-Mart has the right to carry or not carry whatever products it wants to, and if we don’t like it, we can take our business elsewhere. In areas where Wal-Mart is nearly the only retailer around, then it becomes an issue of convenience: Is boycotting Wal-Mart worth driving the extra miles to get to a different retailer? It depends on how far the individual is willing to take it.
Wal-Mart, like all other businesses, bases their product decisions around their target market. If they determine that most of their patrons like an item, they will carry it. If they find enough of their market is offended by something, they won’t stock it. The difference here is, Wal-Mart has determined that most of its target market is Christian. I don’t see where that’s hypocricy. Christians don’t find the Bible offensive (although I think any reasonable person should), and they do find products such as Playboy and explicit CDs offensive. Wal-Mart is simply following what their customers want (or what the majority of their customers want), doing what’s best for the bottom line, just like any other business. I can’t fault them for that. I shop there now because I can’t afford to shop elsewhere. If I find a better product for cheaper, somewhere else, then that’s where I’ll go to get it. That’s Capitalism.
Hey Dagny, save the date… our halloween party in raleigh is coming up november 4. More details to follow…
Spanders, Why November? Halloween is in October. I have some vacation time to use at work, so I will do my best to get up there
spanders
Doggone it!
I already have 2 proior engagements on Nov. 4!!!
i shop at walmart all the time to say
only poor an uneducated people shop there is not correct.mom an pop stores are gone in many areas.and for
senior citizens walmart is a good deal.so what if they sell the bible
you are not forced to buy it.
Go and shop at WalMart if you like. This is still America, barely.
All WalMart has done is make products cheaper to the US consumer. Horray for WalMart. But. At what price?
Almost 100% of what they sell is Chinese made by the cheapest labor foce in the world. They have even put the Mexicans out of business. Indirectly and in some cases directly they are responsible for tens of thoudans, if nor more, of Americans loosing their jobs. I was an internationsl cargo pilot for many years and I can tell you what we import form there and what we export to there. We export virtually NOTHING! All you supply siders with argue that it is just business. Well, let me tell you something. At some point critical mass will be reached and there won’t be enough people in this country left to buy the homes, the cars and the refirgerators. Then who do we blame? Will the Chinese buy our stuff as we will become a third world econimic power and work for slave wages as we used to many years ago. Out jobs are being stolen by slave labor and a governemnt that gets FREE medical care and FREE retirement for liv=fe with zero monetary input from them. Not even money to social security. They have it made so they don’t care what happends to us. Their big business handlers, and I include both parties in this, have see to it that we truly have the “Best government money can by.” We are the laughing stock of the world. You should read what they say about us in Europe. At least they make some effort to peotect their worker’s their economies. Only a very few at WalMart even get medical benifits, just like millions of us who are in the same boat. The corts are allowing airlines to eliminate their pension benefits and the rest of us will eventually follow, assuming you even have a pension to look forward to. It’s only a matter of time folks. We live in a dangerous violent society here in the US, we always have. Someday when this ctical mass is reached I sure hope I’m not alive to see it. It will make the civil war look like walk in the park. Class warfare at it’s worst and I see no one who even has the balls to talk about it. We can thank the fat cats at the WalMarts of this world for the result. Just kepp buying those chep Chinese clothes folks. Just don’t be suprised at the eventual resulsts.
As a family on a budget, we shop at Wal-Mart. I don’t have to boycott the entire store, I just don’t buy things I disagree with. If Wal-Mart has to stop selling the bible, then the company should stop selling mystery and romance novels. They should also stop selling movies with a rating higher than G. Music should also be banned from the store’s sales.
Wal-Mart is not the only retail company that sells that book. Motels/hotels keep bibles in the rooms. The area I live in has public billboards advertising the National Bible Association. —Did you know that there was a National Bible Association? I didn’t until I saw the billboard.
In the end, this is a “free” country and companies can sell pretty much anything to anybody.
I love you Freakgirl and I don’t even know you. And I like your other posts as well. Your petition is the most excellent and educated petition I have ever seen and signed! I posted a petition that I sent to Wal*Mart a few years ago asking them to, “Please stop selling guns, ammunition, and camoflouge clothing.” Why? Self-proclaimed hunters at a hunting club were shooting their rifles, pistols, and shotguns over our heads to get their kicks! They all went to the same church in this corrupt small town in Louisiana and all of these hunters knew that I did not attend their church. I was considered an “outcast and lost” if you do not attend church in this town with these hunting buddies. I am going to frame your petition and place it on my wall where I can view it everyday! It’s the Best! Wal*Mart promotes a lot of religious material that I find offensive every time I venture through the magazine isle of their store. Someday the religious material will not be there at Wal*Mart. Again, Freakgirl your petition is excellent.