Comments on: Coach wins school prayer issue http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue A Blog of Atheist Thought Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:17:01 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Ask the leadership coach » Coach wins school prayer issue « No God Blog http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-3#comment-96860 Ask the leadership coach » Coach wins school prayer issue « No God Blog Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:34:51 +0000 #comment-96860 [...] unknown posted a noteworthy aricle today onHere’s a small snippetWhisner, 47 Ohio St.2d 181, 351 N.E.2d 750 (1976), the Ohio Supreme Court exempted Christian schools from certification and accreditation requirements. “…It has long been recognized that the right of a parent to guide the education, ….. Story idea was pretty cool, but the guy who took over for Death seemed obliged to explain to every single creature whose life he took, why he had to do it. It got outta hand quickly. Of course, these buds were all raving about C.S Lewis … [...] [...] unknown posted a noteworthy aricle today onHere’s a small snippetWhisner, 47 Ohio St.2d 181, 351 N.E.2d 750 (1976), the Ohio Supreme Court exempted Christian schools from certification and accreditation requirements. “…It has long been recognized that the right of a parent to guide the education, ….. Story idea was pretty cool, but the guy who took over for Death seemed obliged to explain to every single creature whose life he took, why he had to do it. It got outta hand quickly. Of course, these buds were all raving about C.S Lewis … [...]

]]> By: Mushukyou http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-1#comment-41569 Mushukyou Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-41569 It's the religious bible thumpers we have as judges that permit such idiocy in our public, government schools which are *supposed* to be secular; because of our secular legal document, the Constitution.<br /> <br /> I'm sure we can push it further up the chain and get a real ruling going on. So many stupid people in this country. It’s the religious bible thumpers we have as judges that permit such idiocy in our public, government schools which are *supposed* to be secular; because of our secular legal document, the Constitution.

I’m sure we can push it further up the chain and get a real ruling going on. So many stupid people in this country.

]]> By: godless77 http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-1#comment-41573 godless77 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-41573 Dave,<br /> Dispatch the lawyers. Thank you. Dave,
Dispatch the lawyers. Thank you.

]]> By: karen http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-1#comment-41574 karen Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-41574 I'm not so sure Judge Cavanaugh was unbiased in this matter from the comments he made about showing respect and the possible equating of looking at one's shoes and bowing on'es head in prayer.<br /> <br /> I agree that prayer is in no way secular.<br /> <br /> The article states the coach is no longer going to join in prayer with the team, but will only bow his head or take a knee when the students engage in prayer. <br /> It also states that the parent of a sudent threatened a lawsuit last fall if the prayer tradition continued, so some student must not be in agreement with the practice. Peer pressure, especially among members of a team is very strong.<br /> <br /> It is fine for the coach to pray silently, and unobtrusively. But as a representative of the school, and thus, the state, I think he was out of line for bringing this legal action. It should have been brought by the students and their families who wanted to participate. I’m not so sure Judge Cavanaugh was unbiased in this matter from the comments he made about showing respect and the possible equating of looking at one’s shoes and bowing on’es head in prayer.

I agree that prayer is in no way secular.

The article states the coach is no longer going to join in prayer with the team, but will only bow his head or take a knee when the students engage in prayer.
It also states that the parent of a sudent threatened a lawsuit last fall if the prayer tradition continued, so some student must not be in agreement with the practice. Peer pressure, especially among members of a team is very strong.

It is fine for the coach to pray silently, and unobtrusively. But as a representative of the school, and thus, the state, I think he was out of line for bringing this legal action. It should have been brought by the students and their families who wanted to participate.

]]> By: phreedm http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-1#comment-41577 phreedm Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-41577 As I've stated before...one reaps what they sow.<br /> <br /> I believe we're witnessing the pendulum begin it's swing the other way. America is tired of ONE person pushing their views on the majority.<br /> Everyone better pray that another Supreme Court justice doesn't retire within the next 2 years...<br /> <br /> Actually this ruling make lots of sense. Why would any state employee only give up one of five rights stated in the First Amendment? <br /> <br /> <blockquote>Under state law, as the prevailing party in a lawsuit, Riccio is now entitled to ask that the court order East Brunswick Public Schools to pay his costs and legal fees. Riccio said he is considering making such an application.</blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm sure this is going to bother many on this board...<br /> <br /> Anyone know how much Barry Lynn pulls in for his position? I wonder if he's ever had a real job...?<br /> <br /> As I’ve stated before…one reaps what they sow.

I believe we’re witnessing the pendulum begin it’s swing the other way. America is tired of ONE person pushing their views on the majority.
Everyone better pray that another Supreme Court justice doesn’t retire within the next 2 years…

Actually this ruling make lots of sense. Why would any state employee only give up one of five rights stated in the First Amendment?

Under state law, as the prevailing party in a lawsuit, Riccio is now entitled to ask that the court order East Brunswick Public Schools to pay his costs and legal fees. Riccio said he is considering making such an application.

I’m sure this is going to bother many on this board…

Anyone know how much Barry Lynn pulls in for his position? I wonder if he’s ever had a real job…?

]]> By: godless77 http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-1#comment-41578 godless77 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-41578 phreed,<br /> I have a new stock answer for you:<br /> EVOLVE OR FUCK OFF.<br /> If you must know, the latest demographic #'s I've heard is that the proportion of atheists are GROWING in the US of A, from 8% to 15%. (sorry, it was on local radio and I'm still looking for the link) Now, I wouls assume that you would see thi growth in the 18-34 age bracket, since attendance to religious services had been declining up until 9-11.<br /> You see, that's a real-world phyical example of Darwin's theory.<br /> So I say to you again: <br /> EVOLVE...<br /> OR FUCK OFF!!! phreed,
I have a new stock answer for you:
EVOLVE OR FUCK OFF.
If you must know, the latest demographic #’s I’ve heard is that the proportion of atheists are GROWING in the US of A, from 8% to 15%. (sorry, it was on local radio and I’m still looking for the link) Now, I wouls assume that you would see thi growth in the 18-34 age bracket, since attendance to religious services had been declining up until 9-11.
You see, that’s a real-world phyical example of Darwin’s theory.
So I say to you again:
EVOLVE…
OR FUCK OFF!!!

]]> By: godless77 http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-1#comment-41580 godless77 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-41580 Oh and Dave,<br /> By dispatching the lawyers, I meant in the way Mr. Burns tells Smithers to "release the hounds"!<br /> Perhaps dipatch was the wrong word... Oh and Dave,
By dispatching the lawyers, I meant in the way Mr. Burns tells Smithers to “release the hounds”!
Perhaps dipatch was the wrong word…

]]> By: A-Atheist http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-1#comment-41583 A-Atheist Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-41583 godless77<br /> <br /> <blockquote><br /> phreed,<br /> I have a new stock answer for you:<br /> EVOLVE OR FUCK OFF.<br /> </blockquote><br /> <br /> Its novel, but something more substantive is what usually persuades. When I see comments as such, it only deflects anti-intellectual perception of atheist; not to mention a barbaric superior evolvement syndrome that I thought we got over decades ago. <br /> godless77

phreed,
I have a new stock answer for you:
EVOLVE OR FUCK OFF.

Its novel, but something more substantive is what usually persuades. When I see comments as such, it only deflects anti-intellectual perception of atheist; not to mention a barbaric superior evolvement syndrome that I thought we got over decades ago.

]]> By: godless http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-1#comment-41584 godless Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-41584 <blockquote><br /> I believe we're witnessing the pendulum begin it's swing the other way. <br /> </blockquote><br /> Really? It's all in your perspective I suppose.<br /> <blockquote><br /> America is tired of ONE person pushing their views on the majority.<br /> </blockquote><br /> All of America? Are you including non-christians in that statement? Who is this one person you are referring to?<br /> <blockquote><br /> Everyone better pray that another Supreme Court justice doesn't retire within the next 2 years...<br /> </blockquote><br /> A lot of hoping and wishing, maybe. Praying, definitely not. Hope you understand. ;-)

I believe we’re witnessing the pendulum begin it’s swing the other way.

Really? It’s all in your perspective I suppose.

America is tired of ONE person pushing their views on the majority.

All of America? Are you including non-christians in that statement? Who is this one person you are referring to?

Everyone better pray that another Supreme Court justice doesn’t retire within the next 2 years…

A lot of hoping and wishing, maybe. Praying, definitely not. Hope you understand. ;-)

]]> By: spanders http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/26/coach_wins_school_prayer_issue/comment-page-1#comment-41586 spanders Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-41586 phreedm<blockquote>America is tired of ONE person pushing their views on the majority.</blockquote>Couldn't that be said of Bush with his veto of legislation that had at least 60% of popular support?<br /> <br /> I didn't read this article thoroughly, but is the setup that people in positions of authority can participate in prayer if it's lead by students and could be considered a form of social pressure to conform to religious standards? While I don't think prayer is in any way secular, I'm not sure that coaches being allowed to participate in student led prayer is a constitutional infringement and I'm not sure that it's a slippery sloap to forced prayer. In other words, I'm not so sure that there's a clear connection to coaches participating in student led prayer to making the whole team pray. As long as there is choice, I don't have a problem with it. Am I misunderstanding on some fundamental level? phreedm
America is tired of ONE person pushing their views on the majority.

Couldn’t that be said of Bush with his veto of legislation that had at least 60% of popular support?

I didn’t read this article thoroughly, but is the setup that people in positions of authority can participate in prayer if it’s lead by students and could be considered a form of social pressure to conform to religious standards? While I don’t think prayer is in any way secular, I’m not sure that coaches being allowed to participate in student led prayer is a constitutional infringement and I’m not sure that it’s a slippery sloap to forced prayer. In other words, I’m not so sure that there’s a clear connection to coaches participating in student led prayer to making the whole team pray. As long as there is choice, I don’t have a problem with it. Am I misunderstanding on some fundamental level?

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