http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060726/NEWS/607260437/1001This article is about something that seems innocuous, but heads strongly in the wrong direction. Coaches are now allowed to participate in student-led prayer.In defense, they cite the coach’s constitutional rights, the fact that the prayer is non-sectarian, and that the effort is “secular in purpose”. BUT nobody was saying the coach couldn’t pray, and come on, what exactly is a secular prayer anyway? I’ll tell you: It’s a lie.Let’s get something straight: There is no such thing as organized high-school prayer that is not coercive. If students lead it, some may argue that the coercion is worse due to the peer pressure (the exact intent). There is also no such thing as organizing prayer for a secular reason. The only reason for prayer is to subjugate the students and push the mythology. Yes, the coach has the constitutional right to pray, but the students have the rights to play football without having religion (specifically Chrtistianity) pushed on them by their own coach. Sorry coach, but your own religion says you should pray in private (read Matthew), and that your god can hear your prayers even if you don’t make it obvious that you are praying. Your rights are just fine.If coaches can participate, then so can teachers, principals, and the rest of the staff. The next step is the return to forced prayer. This is the whole purpose, and we’re going to see it happen very soon.
A-Atheist,
RA is right. It doen’t take very long for some neanderthal fucktard like Javi to grate on you.
You will find that they’re flat out unreasonable. So you end up getting snarky.
Then you find out they have NO sense of humor!
After that, you end up defending yourself on a website that’s suppoed to be dedicated to Atheism, for Atheism.
And they do it because they fear us and what we represent in their narrow view of the world.
Think about this; what do the x-tinas think the end of the world means to them? Is it the actual end of the world?
No. It’s the end of their global dominance with lies, propaganda and fairy tales.
Humanity IS evolving. The existence and durability of science is proof itself.
Evolution is knowledge, which is the foundation of science.
Javier can’t even compreehnd this without threatening someone.
Like a neanderthal.
And he is normal for the trollrats we get on here.
They’re our little science experiment.
Go run the treadmill javi. Look at that wheel go! Whheeee!
I certainly don’t want to feed the troll, but this is just hilarious:
“If the coach wants to prey it?s his business. If the players want to prey it?s their business”
Javier probably says the same thing about those Catholic kiddie fiddlers. It’s their business if they want to “prey”.
Nodster said:
Javier probably says the same thing about those Catholic kiddie fiddlers. It’s their business if they want to “prey”.
I aaume you really mean molested.
I’m confused though. Is molestation condoned by the church or not?
Oh wait, that would mean they’d have to PRACTICE what they preach.
Never mind…
Karan,The trollrats will attack us anyway. I mean, you didn’t say anything antagonistic and javi-poo did a number on you.
So. we might as well have some fun with our labrat before they get banned or whatever…
godless77
javi’s attack on me was bait to try to get me to stoop to his level, which I ignored. Later, he made an appeal to try to get me to explain a controversial issue—also bait, which I will also ignore.
“Having fun” with him only encourages him to stick around a d keep trying to get a rise out of any and everyone.
Putting him down requires no skill, so what fun is there in that? It’s somewhat amusing watching him trip over himself all the time. But it was ever so much more pleasant when he left for about a week. We were able to converse uninterrupted by drivel till he found his way back..
Starve him, I say! Starve him!!!
Actually, I think gluttony is the answer. Feed him until he explodes, and ends up trolling truckstops for gay sex.
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Hmmm…did you read the article?
In just about everyone of these cases it boils down to ONE person. Take the cross in San Diego. One atheist.
I believe you’re all misunderstanding my commments. I’ve stated many times it’s AA’s tactics. Using the courts to force their views (typical liberal move) instead of trying to educate and be positive…
I want to put in my two cents worth on the subject of “Secular Prayer”. Dave says there is no such thing. I disagree. I remember right after the Ninth Circuit decision on god in the pledge case, Sen. Hatch said on the news that there was no constitutional violation of the establishment clause when one says a secular prayer.
I found that statement coming from a Republican very illuminating. What in the world is a “Secular Prayer”? A prayer to a secular god? If a christian prayer is to the christian god and a jewish prayer is to the jewish god, then a secular prayer must be to a secular god.
So the next question is where do we find this secular god and which organization prays to him/her? I went to the most holy of all holies. The US$. And sure enough, I saw that trusting the secular god was our national motto.
Obviously, the Holy US$ is our secular god. And who prays to the Holy US$. I don’t know, just about everyone I know.
Who prays to the christian god? Well, I never heard of a single christian minister, priest, reverend, etc. who did. Everyone I ever heard of prays only to the Holy US$.
Why else would every single religious organization in the US and everywhere else in the universe demand that everything they do and everything they own be conducted tax free? Why because the only god they worship is the Holy US$ or the Golden Calf or the Holy British Pound, etc, etc, etc.
So yes Dave, there is a Secular God, not only is there such an animal, but I establish that the Secular God is the one and only god worshiped in this nation. I mean really, what else would a Republican worship — but money and all the power it buys.
Another misconception of the 3 branches propagated by talk radio idiots. The courts determine constitutionality, legislation doesn’t.
Segregation was righted by court force, while legislation was fighting for the status quo.
Do I really need to go over this w/ you again?
Seriously phreedm,
What is it you despise about the judiciary having a check on legislation?
“Educate”? Phreedy, would that be the same education that the church has been SOOO enthusiastic about since pre-dark ages? In fact, it was the church’s “enthusiasm” about education that prompt some folks to conclude (including myself) that the chuch actually caused the dark ages by witholding literacy. So much for education. Anyway, back to the topic. So the whole team “preys” now? I wonder if it will help their record. And exactly what will the losing team say to god? Perhaps a little “Guess Who” quote would be good locker room fodder…
(screaming) “And where was god!!??”
mxracer652, I can theorize that in the early 80′s, god favored Aliquippa over Ambridge
preedm
I think this is a blatantly silly statement. The courts rule on a question of law. One cannot use a court to ‘force’ any view unless it is the law of the land.
It matters not one hoot whether the law or ruling in question is seen as ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’. In fact those terms are each only relative to the observer. What one person might deem prgressive, another might consider regressive.
Give it up phreedm, it’s a lost cause.
I just keep wondering how all the students and teachers would feel if and when a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc. joins the team. Will they be cool with this student leading the prayer?
How about when the atheist leads it? My “secular” prayer includes this: “the monarch of the skies will be dethroned — the flames of hell will be extinguished. Pious beggars will become honest and useful men. Hypocrisy will collect no tolls from fear, lies will not be regarded as sacred…” (source: somewhere on the net, author unkown to me).
After all, that student will have the same right to share his prayer with everyone else.
I really want to continue to challenge these things this way. Ok, prayer is ok, well, we get the right to voice our view also. It has to be all inclusive, where everyone gets a chance, or they WILL be in violation of our laws.
I recently applied to our city council to lead the “opening prayer” for their council meetings. They recently passed a resolution restricting what could be said – I guess a few wonderful ministers took it a bit too far! I haven’t heard back from them yet…the response will be intersting. I plan to use the “prayer” above.
Will they ever stop? It seems Americans want to be like the muslims. Pretty soon you’ll everyone carrying carpets with them so they get down on their knees with a wide open mouth and pray every 30 mins to the billion dollar church “God”
What happen to praying in church, before meals, the simple old days.
These folks now want to pray before they sit on the toilet, brush there teeth, drive the car to work, before they start class, hell why don’t they just sit home and pray all day.
I wish these idiots put all their energy to something more productive.
World peace, end hunger, fight for something for the better of mankind.
Excuse the bad grammer, was up late watching evil heavy metal bands…lol
Sorry to burst your bubble, but this country has never been a Democracy. We live in a constitutional Republic. A true Democracy will always fail due to majority rule. Unfortunately, it is human nature to make decision based on personally benefits and not the benefits to society. On the other hand I feel Phree. Has a point about AA needing to concentrate more on education than lawsuits. I feel that suing over religious displays on public lands and some school prayer instances tends to embolden the religious right. Look at how outraged most people were when they shut off that valedictorian?s microphone during her speech. Sometimes I think that this may have a negative effect. I wonder how many individuals were rightfully questioning their faith until they read about some of these lawsuits. I can imagine many then become more entangled in Christianity. I think that legal action needs to be kept to major violations and not ones that can be considered resting in gray areas. If we concentrate on education, eventually you wouldn?t have to worry about the displays because most people would find them laughable.
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I was listening to Sean Hannity (I know, Know) Last week and he was at his ?Freedom? Fest. There was an individual there that commented that we need to back Israel, because the US and Israel are the only two countries whose founding documents and a covenant with God. I nearly choke on my drink. Apparently, he is part of a movement that is attempting to prove the US is a Christian nation, by using historical quotes. Here is their site http://www.americandestiny.com/our_story.htm this kind of stuff is what I feel we need to be fighting against. The misinformation groups like this spreads harms the secularity (not sure if that is a word) more than a two bit high school football coach.
Solider
Who were you watching ? Did you head out to a show ? Unholy Alliance ?
Ozzfest ? Just wondering if we have the same taste in music ?
phreedm
Yes, one person, but not the SAME person. And there are many, many more of us who have the same objections. Sadly, many still feel too threatened to make their views known openly.
If the tables were turned, would you feel comfortable with us saying that it always come down to ONE Christian who wants to pray publicly?
It would be wonderful if AA could spend its time, energy and resources on education, instead of constantly trying to stem the tide of oppression. In what ways could you envision that happening where you wouldn’t feel threatened?
Phreedm,
I was simply asking for a clarification on your statement of “America is tired of ONE person pushing their views on the majority.” To me this sounded more of a general statement than just a reference to the article. Sometimes meaning gets lost from our brains to our written words, so I asked for clarification on what you meant, since what you wrote was not clear to me. In return it sounds like I’m being accused of not reading the article? Hmmm. Is that right, or should I ask for clarification on that?
It only takes just one person to stand up and ask for the right thing to be done. I don’t see this as being an issue, even if I don’t necessarily agree with the position.
Did I mis-read the article or did the (religious) coach sue the school district?
“In a court ruling with national implications, East Brunswick High School football coach Marcus Borden won his lawsuit against the school district yesterday, and will now be permitted to participate in team prayer.”
Looks like both sides are doing it. So I must disagree with the “typical liberal move” assertion.
How dare this coach use the courts to force his views (typical conservative move) instead of trying to educate and be positive…
How dare people ask the courts to interpret the law! We should just get rid of the courts.
Yes, that is extremely thick sarcasm.
I think they both got screwed, and I’ve lived in both zip codes.
I did have an opportunity to work in Greenville…but turned it down.
Comment from: godless77 [Member] ? http://the-atheist-prophet.blogspot.com/
Nodster said:
Javier probably says the same thing about those Catholic kiddie fiddlers. It’s their business if they want to “prey”.
I aaume you really mean molested.
I’m confused though. Is molestation condoned by the church or not?
Oh wait, that would mean they’d have to PRACTICE what they preach.
Never mind…
Hey atheists are homosexual pedaphiles and rapists. Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacey, Ted Bundy, etc. etc. etc….. Jeffery Dahmer found God after he was in prison not when he was druging underage boys and having sex with their corpse.
Godless I like how you used the eight grade definition of evolution. If you went to school past the sixth grade, you would know that Darwin’s evolution theory is not used any more by evolutionists in its traditional sense because it is wrong.
Do you even know how Darwin thought evolution occured? If my arms were to short to reach an apple, my arms would stretch and grow to reach it.
It’s funny, you’re talking about evolving and your still stuck in ancient evolutionary theories.
If you people are so smart, why don’t you correct guys like this.
After god led Jeffery Dahmer through the pearly gates, he turned and said, “Who’s next?”
Javier cried out, “Pick me, pick me!”
Alas poor javier, he sees neither the irony nor humor in the word play concerning prey versus pray.
When he writes
it conjures up images of xian figures preying on defenceless students. I’m sure he meant pray but unfortunately his grasp on the Queen’s English has once again failed him miserably and endowed him with the appearance of a fool.
HZ
The aforementioned fool is endowed with much more than just the appearance thereof.
what’s a purgative?
what bulimic does.
Oh, and an FYI for Peter….
I’ve always referred to it as the ALMIGHTY, ALL POWERFUL, ALL KNOWING DOLLAR! ALL HAIL