Comments on: 5 children dead at church outing http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/10/5_children_dead_at_church_outing A Blog of Atheist Thought Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:40:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: spanders http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/10/5_children_dead_at_church_outing/comment-page-1#comment-40364 spanders Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-40364 I'm going to out on a limb here and suggest that this post feels like it's only here because it's christian kids. In other words, it feels like if they weren't christian, they wouldn't be dead. It feels a little creepy in this context. Other than it being a church event, this could be any group of people getting together, so there's not, for me, much to discuss other than a group of people were lax in watching all their kids, which could happen to anyone. Discussing church and state, policies, direct influences of the church or legal procedings seems interesting. This just seems a little more random. Just my two cents for what it's worth. I’m going to out on a limb here and suggest that this post feels like it’s only here because it’s christian kids. In other words, it feels like if they weren’t christian, they wouldn’t be dead. It feels a little creepy in this context. Other than it being a church event, this could be any group of people getting together, so there’s not, for me, much to discuss other than a group of people were lax in watching all their kids, which could happen to anyone. Discussing church and state, policies, direct influences of the church or legal procedings seems interesting. This just seems a little more random. Just my two cents for what it’s worth.

]]> By: Smartypants http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/10/5_children_dead_at_church_outing/comment-page-1#comment-40365 Smartypants Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-40365 <br /> It is always horrible to hear that someone may have died trying to save others (the article seemed to speculate that this may have been the case). <br /> <br /> The pastor's implication that the tragedy may have been deserved, or at least more understandable, had it been kids drinking or getting stoned was a bit creepy. Even in the middle of such a tragedy the moralizing just won't stop. It is always horrible to hear that someone may have died trying to save others (the article seemed to speculate that this may have been the case).

The pastor’s implication that the tragedy may have been deserved, or at least more understandable, had it been kids drinking or getting stoned was a bit creepy. Even in the middle of such a tragedy the moralizing just won’t stop.

]]> By: spanders http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/10/5_children_dead_at_church_outing/comment-page-1#comment-40368 spanders Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-40368 hmmm... my interpretation of that was that he was saying there wasn't any glaring irresponsibility such as substance abuse that could have caused this. I guess it's different ways of understand what's being said. I didn't see it as moralizing. hmmm… my interpretation of that was that he was saying there wasn’t any glaring irresponsibility such as substance abuse that could have caused this. I guess it’s different ways of understand what’s being said. I didn’t see it as moralizing.

]]> By: Bones http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/10/5_children_dead_at_church_outing/comment-page-1#comment-40369 Bones Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-40369 I guess I'd take issue if they start thanking god for the life of the one child who survived. If they do that, they must also attribute the deaths of the other 5 to that same god.<br /> <br /> Mostly, I just feel sorry for the entire group, church group or any other group.<br /> <br /> Negligence is negligence, no matter how you look at it, but accidents happen too, and they happen anytime, anywhere to anybody. God does not prevent accidents!<br /> <br /> <br /> I guess I’d take issue if they start thanking god for the life of the one child who survived. If they do that, they must also attribute the deaths of the other 5 to that same god.

Mostly, I just feel sorry for the entire group, church group or any other group.

Negligence is negligence, no matter how you look at it, but accidents happen too, and they happen anytime, anywhere to anybody. God does not prevent accidents!

]]> By: Smartypants http://atheists.org/blog/2006/07/10/5_children_dead_at_church_outing/comment-page-1#comment-40374 Smartypants Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-40374 <br /> spanders,<br /> <br /> I guess you can read it that way too (maybe I took it the wrong way), but I would note that his two examples of potential irresponsibility did involve "sinful" conduct rather than plain 'ol not paying attention or lack of supervision, etc.<br /> <br /> I guess it kind of reminded me of the comments on the news when there is a sururban crime. Some idiot always says something to the effect that the crime was unexpected because we live in a nice suburban community, as opposed to the big evil city.<br /> <br /> The pastor's comment sounded like that to me. i.e., We are nice people, so this should not have happened. <br /> <br /> Or I could just be thinking about it too much. spanders,

I guess you can read it that way too (maybe I took it the wrong way), but I would note that his two examples of potential irresponsibility did involve “sinful” conduct rather than plain ‘ol not paying attention or lack of supervision, etc.

I guess it kind of reminded me of the comments on the news when there is a sururban crime. Some idiot always says something to the effect that the crime was unexpected because we live in a nice suburban community, as opposed to the big evil city.

The pastor’s comment sounded like that to me. i.e., We are nice people, so this should not have happened.

Or I could just be thinking about it too much.

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