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TW:
Both of which can be learned from the art itself.
Many of the more dangerous people in MA aren’t the huge hulks you see on the tube. Some of ‘em are 100 pds. soaking wet.
Sure, that’s not an argument, nor my point at all.
Like a gun (albeit it takes a lot more work), MA training can be done by anyone. Train the body, & the mind follows.
& I like to have more than 1 card up me sleeve. Forgetting to take the safety off, or a mousetrap jam, or even someone sticking their finger in the barrel (I know that sounds like Bugs Bunny).
I like to keep my reflexes tuned, is all.
RA:
Can they be done by anyone? Sure. Anyone can check the tire pressure on the car once a month, balance the checkbook once a month, scrub out the shower or tub weekly, etc.
But how many actually DO? (hint: do not even TRY to understand my checkbookm and avoid my bathroom for your own safety…)
Human nature being what it is, MA training is realistically only for a few. Firearms training is accessable to far more people. All/any sorts of defensive training combined, however, will never be for every one. There will always be those that can not do so for whatever reasons of physical, or other, impariment, or those that refuse to out of some sort of philosophical conviction.
I am unfamiliar with the term “Mousetrap jam”: expand?
Jam clearing in general is part of any halfway decent firearms course. For semi-autos with magazines, I was always taught tap-rack-ready. (AKA slap-reack-ready). Revolvers tend not to malfunction.
The finger in the barrel is a canard, and I hope you are joking. It is a good way to lose at least a finger, if not a hand or a life. Please, no one try it.
Note that I am not saying MA training is a bad thing, or that it should not be attempted by anyone that wants to give it a try. Even if they later find it is not for them, the knowledge gained is worth the time spent. Better to have the knowledge than not, nor would I object to having it included as a part of a school phys-ed program.
I just think it is unrealistic to expect “everyone” to do it, or to think it is a viable defense alternative for most people. Some yes, but a minority.
TW:
Oh, like say, the entire population of Israel, where everybody does Krav Maga (or a variant thereof)?
Well, unless 1 is physically or mentally impaired, everyone owes it to themselves & their own well-being (as well as their health) to take precautions.
I recall seeing a demo on ABC’s Wide World of Sports back in the 70′s, where a double-amputee black belt (both legs) did a multiple attack SD. It was amazing. How’d he do it?
Simple. He didn’t listen to those who said it couldn’t be done.
Most MA practitioners are very peaceable folk, despite the crap the TV & movies spew.
& having a gun isn’t a catch-all solution.
I recall an old Wild West story. I either saw it on a documentary, or read it somewhere. 3 guys got into a gunfight, they started shooting at fellow #1, who was several yards away. He just marched right up in the fusillade, & shot the other 2 fellows.
It’s been a while, but I think it’s about shotguns.
When T1 came out, I read that the shotgun Arnie used was a Plas-12(?). Auto fire: pull the trigger, shoot. If it mousetraps, hit the switch to change to pump action.
Could be off.
As I understand it, the gun will explode if the gases can’t escape. You’ll lose a finger or a hand (or get killed if you don’t do it right).
We live in a violent, turbulent world. There are some times, when the gun is useless.
1st off, it’s not viable for the woman unlocking her car in an isolated garage. Nor is it viable for the sudden attack from an alley.
There’s also the concept of reasonable force in a courtroom, where you have to prove threat to life & limb. This applies to civilians as well as constabulary.
Also, self-defense isn’t always about combat. Dodging falling objects, having the reflexes to avoid the oncoming car, avoiding damaging falls (balance training). In short, there’s multiple benefits to MA training.
What, you get a job as a salesman at the Springfield Armory?
While you & I may be able to focus, relax, point, & respond properly, many people are incapable.
I’ve never been in a firefight, but I’ve seen a few 1-eyed stares in my day. Most folks would wet themselves: I remained focussed, & (no word of a lie, squire), calm & unshaken afterwards.
FOTMI, until we live in some utopian wonderland, where no 1 harms anyone, guns are a necessity. Ultimate MA: chic-chic-ping!
But, like it says in ‘Last Man Standing’: – “He’s useless w/o his gun.”
A warrior should be well-rounded: reliance on 1 tool is foolishness indeed, when that tool is out of reach.
So, RA, I’ve often thought about beginning martial arts training. How do you decide which one? It seems like there are so many out there. I have a friend who has done Kempo Karate for many years. My sister does Tai Kwon Do (sp?).
I can’t do high-impact stuff due to a bad back, but I’m a fairly heathly early 40-something woman. Average strength, but a skinny little shit.
CAn you give me some suggestions for disciplines to look in to?
thx
Bones:
Well, the trick here, is, as the old song goes, “My mama told me, ya gotta shop around!”
I’m in CA, however, & there’s no dearth of instructors out here (myself included).
Krav maga is usually sufficient: TKD is hard on the back, some Chinese MAs are hard on the knees. Kempo, I have some respect for.
You need to factor in: gender (sorry, it’s just a fact), size, weight, etc. Until you reach some level of proficiency, strength’s always going to be a factor. So shop, watch (be a vo_yeur), be pragmatic. How long will it take till it works? How often can you practice? In the meantime, if you’re worried about safety, seriously consider pepper spray, tasers, etc. (A gun’s not a bad idea, but it’s contingent on your state’s carry permits).
Most of all, find 1 you love. If available.
& check the backgrounds. A lot of charlatanry exists in it. If you start hearing about becoming some mystical Thunderballz warrior, get out fast! Avoid the ‘fear no man’ folks: that’s just hype.
‘It is the most lethal of the martial arts!’ (as opposed to the least lethal? Aye caramba!)
La Systema is the Russian system of Sambo. I don’t know if there’s anyone in your area.
If they’re too damn serious, well, the very serious ones are usually not very good.
Wing chun, I.E., was created by a buddhist nun.
Aikido, Tai Chi: too long. Karate’s good for instant gratification, but too linear.
Hit a few restaurants, taste what’s on the menu, is the short version.
Hope that helps.
Bones, I suggest that you take up AIKIDO. Not only can it be a very effective defense, it is good for general physical well-being as you get older. No high impact stuff. But it is not something you master overnight.
I practiced it for a few years and should get back to it. I once saw a demonstration by a Japanese guy in his 70′s who could tumble like a younster and jump off the equivalent of a second floor. Truly amazing. If I jumped off a car today, I would probably hurt mayself.
Related to Aikido, you could also learn shiatsu massage.
Those who think that firearms are a means of protection, should look at the statistics. The best way to die from one is for you or your friends and family to have one.
“Today, guns are outpaced only by motor vehicles as a cause of fatal injury stemming from a household or recreational consumer product. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated that by the year 2001, firearms will surpass motor vehicles as the leading cause of product-related death in our nation.5 In 1996, this crossover had already occurred in five states and the District of Columbia. 6
Contrary to popular perception, most gun death in America is not crime related. Most firearm deaths stem not from homicide (14,327 in 1996) but suicide (18,166 in 1996). And even for those who are murdered with firearms,a the Uniform Crime Reports published by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reveals that the majority of firearm homicide victims die not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other.
When compared to other industrialized nations, the United States stands alone in the number of its citizens felled by guns. A 1997 study by the CDC analyzed firearm deaths for children less than 15 years old in 26 countries and found that 86 percent of the deaths occurred in the U.S.7 A 1998 study in the International Journal of Epidemiology found that the overall rate of firearms death in the U.S. is eight times higher than the firearms death rate of 25 other high-income countries combined.”
http://www.vpc.org/studies/whointro.htm
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