And coming through all your phone call data. Qwest seems to be the only ethical company! Never thought I’d say that.
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well then they can come and visit me I just went to the local department of homeland securtiy office and put a decal in the restroom with the D.H.S. logo that says on the bottom were watching you pee Im expecting a knock on the door any time now.
udon, that’s hilarous.
I was planning on getting pics to put on my blog but they made me leave my cameraphone but I took the battery and was in no longer then two minutes so they couldnt even pull my phone data the ass hats
on topic I read this story this morning and wasnt suprised about it but some people might think they actually go though each phone number they are only looking for key numbers and key info so no they wont come after us here if we say somthing against the gov or well place homemade decals someplace we shouldnt.
I think the people who have to worry are the ones who make out of country calls for whatever reasons, or who travel outside the country.
Sometimes I get a bit paranoid and wonder if they’re looking over my shoulder too, but I think I’m way down on the list of anyone who would garner their interest.
What a way to live………..
This government is gnawing away, bit by bit, at our rights and freedoms.
island57:
Hey, just ’cause you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get ya.
I welcome the knock on my door. I got a lotta questions, many of them uncomfortable.
Sometimes, when I’m talking on the phone w/a buddy o’ mine, I hear that click!. We just laugh, & discuss why the gvnmnt. would even CARE what we talk about. I usually hear that noise when I mention UBL, or bombs, or muslims, or anything political at all.
What a waste of our tax $, I say.
I had a comment about the phone click then went to post it and got a strange message about page unavailble please go here.
I wonder who is looking at this blog?
udonman:
I just got an email from the admin. I bitched about the recent spam attacks, he’s implementing some new policy to deal w/it, maybe that’s it.
Hey, it’s a public blog. I’d hope they’d be paying more attention to private forums or Wahabbis, or whatever.
I mean, atheists are the most well-behaved minority in the US, ain’t we?
A friend was showing her mother some extremely politically irreverent sites. Her mom told her, jokingly, ?you do know that the government is going to come get you for this, don?t you?? My friend responded she?s not terribly worried, because they?ll definitely come after me first. So when I disappear, then my friend will start worrying. I feel kind of like a parakeet in a mine shaft?. cheep, cheep.
I joke about it, but honestly, I?m not personally worried. I am, however, extremely frustrated by the continuing violation of basic privacy. Library books, Google records? now phone calls? I?m not sure why people don?t get more upset about all of this than they do. Then again, maybe people are starting to get upset, about something at least. It?s not all roses for Bush administration right now- even before news of this started coming out, Bush?s job approval rating apparently fell to 29%. 29%! If only 29% of my clients thought that I was doing ?an excellent or pretty good job?, I?d be out of work.
This is a questions for any of the attorneys on this blog…
Is it legal for the government to collect, what is essentially, everyone’s phone call data without a warrant?
And, is there only a legal issue if they forced (or intimidated) these companies to turn over call data without warrants?
Just curious if any of the attorneys have an opinion on this?
I always get stopped at the airports-always. I travel a lot by myself to foreign countries, especially the UK, but also Latin America and the Pacific. Plus they always check my bionic leg over very carefully now to see if its explosive or something.
The USA is creeping towards facism more and more…read or see “1984″ and “V for Vendetta” for possible visions of our future.
Alex.
aviaa,
As Steven Colbert so eloquently put it…
It’s better to think of it as 71% of Americans approve of the job Bush isn’t doing. (Or something like that).
Alexgator1
“The USA is creeping towards facism more and more…read or see “1984″ and “V for Vendetta” for possible visions of our future.”
And for kicks, read “Fahrenheit 451″.
reluctant we need better spam control last night we got hit again I tried but couldnt keep up with deleting all of them so i hope it works out.
aviaa I to feel like a parakeetin that respect.
and alex forgot them if they feel the need to search your leg they are total f-ing idiots.
dvan-
How very optimistic of him! Sort of like, the glass may only be 29% full, but at least it’s 71% empty of mindless approval of a job poorly done. Actually, that is a rather nice thought.
The govt. is wasting it’s time and my money keeping an eye on me…
I feel like a $750.00 hammer.
funny I feel like the $200.00 toliet seat always being pissed on by someone in the goverment
lift the lid damnit
Rosemary, I agree!
It is interesting to me that President Bush admitted, after being caught, that they government is listening to calls overseas. But, he didn’t come clean about getting phone records. Now he got caught on that. So, that leads me to wonder exactly how far they have taken phone-spying. Does anyone wonder?
We will never know. The government shut down the domestic spying investigation by claiming it would reveal secrets that could threaten national security.
They can basically get away with anything if they claim the public knowing about it would threaten national security – they can even break the law.
Wait a second… there’s a man in a dark suit and sunglasses at the door… let me go see what he wants.
he’s from the governemnt and he is here to help
Alex,
Luv ya dearly, but remember, here in the USA it’s May sweeps month. Hollywood isn’t concerned with the truth, they want $$$$$$$.
Off topic but I think every one here will like this video.
http://www.wimp.com/imagine/
I am not too happy about the govs actions lately, the phone records are a small part of the issue. They are locking people up without charges. If they have evidence, fine, then charge them with a crime. If they have no evidence, and are just fishing for some with what could be called torture, I am very pissed.
They say they are protecting us. In some cases perhaps bending the law is appropriate. But the problem is that they provide no proof of these claims. I believe there are easier and more effective ways to fight terrorism. They are using the cowardice of our people against them. Not a pretty picture of freedom and prosperity. It really does not give anyone the idea that the U.S. is always right(as some believe).
It takes effort to discover the Truth…
Comment from: DuKnit [Member]
Rosemary, I agree!
It is interesting to me that President Bush admitted, after being caught, that they government is listening to calls overseas. But, he didn’t come clean about getting phone records. Now he got caught on that. So, that leads me to wonder exactly how far they have taken phone-spying. Does anyone wonder?
Obviously Dave’s friends on the left are playing dumb and making the same claims…
So who exactly passed this law and then signed it…?
Immediately after 9/11 everyone blaming this administration for not connecting the dots to protect us. Now when they enforce the “laws passed by [democratic controlled] congress” suddenly those same critics are crying foul and worried about their individual rights. (Which by the way, according to almost everyone on this site believe those rights come from the government. A great example of why our Founding Fathers claimed rights from a Higher Power).
Here’s an eye opening read, even if it’s from a very conservative point of view. It’s interesting how this article debunks some of the same vacuous comments made about this topic…
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3196
I?m not normally paranoid, but my guess is that the phone monitoring is actually far more extensive than admitted to so far. From what I know of electronics and electronic voice recognition, my guess is that many millions of phone conversations are monitored automatically and then stored if certain key words (or key languages?!) are spoken. I will bet that the conversation does not count as being ?monitored? until a person listens to it.
The next step would then be to get the stored conversation released for a human to listen to. Since this is done by going to the president of the United States, who apparently has much more spare time than some poor harried judge, my guess is that the selection criteria are not what a reasonable person would find acceptable. Remember W?s words: ?If you are not with me you are against me.? My guess is that any non-Caucasian (or possibly non-right-wing-Christian) qualifies as a suspect if the computer decides they said the wrong thing. Combining this sort of information with other stuff such as charitable donations, political affiliation, etc. would be almost trivially easy. I find it hard to imagine that it is not being done. I think we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
I’d like to think I maintain only a healthy amount of paranoia, but with TomSD and tomwright(on a different topic) checking in, I might have to ‘kick it up a notch’.
Seriously, the agent assigned to monitor me was just placed on suicide watch due to terminal boredom.
But of note, I’ve noticed a certain audio feedback on various electronic equipment over the last year or so. I’ve heard it on my computer speakers, my home theater, my home phone, my cell pnone, and even FM radio in my company truck. All of it limited to maybe a 10 mile radius of my house. I personally think its power line related but have no proof of this.
Well, Clinton also instituted the ‘Free Speech Zones’. & who, might I ask, abused them? Just because a law is in effect, we don’t blame the person who passed it for its abuse.
Credit given where credit due.
Oh, what a red herring, I can smell fish all the way in California. What utter dreck. A republican congress & prez abuses their privileges, and it’s the people who passed the laws who are at fault? Man, they step up your medication, or what?
Since there ain’t no ‘higher power’, reason dictates. The founders left it in our hands.
Lessee, why is there a problem w/Iran? Let’s skip the fact that country hasn’t had a war since the Iraq-Iran war. Because Mossedegh was overthrown by the Shah in 1953. Who was president then, smart guy? A republican. Eisenhower. So somehow Carter’s responsible? So’s Clinton? What, no REPUBLICANS are responsible for the bad stuff? This 2 faced double standard is sickening.
That article is a mish-mash of ad hominem, poison the well, & a # of other fallacies too numerous to mention here. & the ‘damned furrenurs’ are taking over Europe. I’ll believe that when I see it.
From the article:
But if that happens under the Republican Regime, guess what? It’s Clinton’s fault this happened! Carter’s! Anyone else’s, but ours!
Godammit, take responsibility, instead of blaming someone else. The Japanese say, “Fix the problem, not the blame.”
Someone once told me that all of our wars were started under a republican president. I’m not a war scholar. Can anybody support or refute this? I’m curious.
cry4turtles:
Not necessarily true. The Republican party was founded under Abe Lincoln.
However, most subsequent wars post-founding were indeed fought during Repub. presidencies.
Woodrow Wilson actually covertly supported the White Russians. Clinton intervened during the Samoan Civil war.
Not counting Carter’s Operation Eagle Claw, or the 1st Sidra Incident. Or FDR’s decision in WWII. & Cleveland’s Nicaragua Naval Battles.
Presidents prior to Lincoln were Democrats or whigs.
To get my work in, I think our rights are melting away. I think we lose this war, even if we do not lose any more lives, if we become a police state.
I’m not a paranoid person, and mostly I don’t care if anyone is listening to my phone conversations – they’d be bored to tears IMO. I don’t like the fact that my gov’t may be spying on me – but I don’t worry about it . . . . much.
However, the other day I got this really weird e-mail. It had a link that said “go to the web site” followed by a paragraph from The Hobbit. The link was an on-line loan company. Why would they use a paragraph out of a book to get my attention?
The really WEIRD part of this is that I had borrowed The Hobbit on CD from the library and I had listened to the very chapter that paragraph came from earlier THAT VERY DAY!!!!!
YIKES!!!!!
To get my word in, I think our rights are melting away. I think we lose this war, even if we do not lose any more lives, if we become a police state. I hope this never happens.