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		<title>By: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2006/05/09/will_you_and_you_marry_us/comment-page-1#comment-34879</link>
		<dc:creator>bernarda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does at least border on slavery. As  regards to Islam, I see the woman&#039;s headscarf as the equivalent of a slave&#039;s tatoo in the nazi concentration camp. There is one difference though. One&#039;s end in the camps came in a short time. A woman&#039;s slavery in Islam lasts all the decades of her life.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is hard for me to believe that any woman can really believe in Mohammed. They just don&#039;t have the choice but to accept the misogyny because they don&#039;t have the power.&lt;br /&gt;
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Have you listened to the song online, &quot;Islam&#039;s not for me&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does at least border on slavery. As  regards to Islam, I see the woman&#8217;s headscarf as the equivalent of a slave&#8217;s tatoo in the nazi concentration camp. There is one difference though. One&#8217;s end in the camps came in a short time. A woman&#8217;s slavery in Islam lasts all the decades of her life.</p>
<p>It is hard for me to believe that any woman can really believe in Mohammed. They just don&#8217;t have the choice but to accept the misogyny because they don&#8217;t have the power.</p>
<p>Have you listened to the song online, &#8220;Islam&#8217;s not for me&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: tomwright</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2006/05/09/will_you_and_you_marry_us/comment-page-1#comment-34884</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did a post on this back in March:&lt;br /&gt;
http://wrightwing.net/2006/03/17/19/28/258&lt;br /&gt;
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essentially, it is not just close to slavery, it is institutionalized child rape and incest.&lt;br /&gt;
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But it continues this way precisely because it is illegal. Just as in the drug war and prostitution, driving it into the undergound, into the shadows, allows criminals and monsters to control it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Legalize it, regulate it, so that everyone involved knows what their rights and responsibilities are, so that children are protected and kept out of it, and so that those that have problems know they are protected under the law, and will not fear prosecution for trying to get help.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a post on this back in March:<br />
<a href="http://wrightwing.net/2006/03/17/19/28/258" rel="nofollow">http://wrightwing.net/2006/03/17/19/28/258</a></p>
<p>essentially, it is not just close to slavery, it is institutionalized child rape and incest.</p>
<p>But it continues this way precisely because it is illegal. Just as in the drug war and prostitution, driving it into the undergound, into the shadows, allows criminals and monsters to control it.</p>
<p>Legalize it, regulate it, so that everyone involved knows what their rights and responsibilities are, so that children are protected and kept out of it, and so that those that have problems know they are protected under the law, and will not fear prosecution for trying to get help.</p>
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		<title>By: ang6666</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, if it is between consenting adults then no issue.  Consenting adults that fully know what they are doing that is.  That applies to this as well as bdsm etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, if it is between consenting adults then no issue.  Consenting adults that fully know what they are doing that is.  That applies to this as well as bdsm etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Phideaux</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2006/05/09/will_you_and_you_marry_us/comment-page-1#comment-34894</link>
		<dc:creator>Phideaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. I&#039;m for anything between INFORMED CONSENTING ADULTS.&lt;br /&gt;
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Young girls isolated in a cult mentality are not informed, let alone adults.&lt;br /&gt;
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What is really irritating to me is that the mainstream LDS church (the theocracy of Utah) likes to make people think they don&#039;t believe in polygamy. They fully expect to practice it in the next life, and a few of the general authorities of the LDS church are sealed (married for eternity) to more than one woman.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is why polygamy has become such a problem. The LDS politicians can&#039;t condemn the polygamous practice of the fundamentalists without stepping on the toes of their own doctrine. Joseph Smith introduced polygamy and called it &quot;the new and everlasting&quot; covenant of marriage. &lt;br /&gt;
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Supposedly &quot;God&quot; told them to stop the practice when UT needed to become a state (what a coincidence!). Frankly I think the LDS leaders in UT are very worried if the practice becomes legal. They would have a hard time explaining why they shouldn&#039;t be following Joseph Smith and Brigham Young&#039;s teachings.&lt;br /&gt;
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The reason this polygamy problem got out of control was because the Mormon Church didn&#039;t know how to placate the doctrine while expecting people not to practice it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn cult. I was a Mormon for 50 years before I studied my way out. I&#039;m sickened to hear the main Mormon Church continuously pretend they have nothing to do with it.&lt;br /&gt;
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When you teach isolated young girls God wants them to marry some old geezer uncle and pop out babies every nine months supported by welfare, the girls don&#039;t know any better. This is not being INFORMED or CONSENTING, and adult consent should be at least 18.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. I&#8217;m for anything between INFORMED CONSENTING ADULTS.</p>
<p>Young girls isolated in a cult mentality are not informed, let alone adults.</p>
<p>What is really irritating to me is that the mainstream LDS church (the theocracy of Utah) likes to make people think they don&#8217;t believe in polygamy. They fully expect to practice it in the next life, and a few of the general authorities of the LDS church are sealed (married for eternity) to more than one woman.</p>
<p>This is why polygamy has become such a problem. The LDS politicians can&#8217;t condemn the polygamous practice of the fundamentalists without stepping on the toes of their own doctrine. Joseph Smith introduced polygamy and called it &#8220;the new and everlasting&#8221; covenant of marriage. </p>
<p>Supposedly &#8220;God&#8221; told them to stop the practice when UT needed to become a state (what a coincidence!). Frankly I think the LDS leaders in UT are very worried if the practice becomes legal. They would have a hard time explaining why they shouldn&#8217;t be following Joseph Smith and Brigham Young&#8217;s teachings.</p>
<p>The reason this polygamy problem got out of control was because the Mormon Church didn&#8217;t know how to placate the doctrine while expecting people not to practice it.</p>
<p>Damn cult. I was a Mormon for 50 years before I studied my way out. I&#8217;m sickened to hear the main Mormon Church continuously pretend they have nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>When you teach isolated young girls God wants them to marry some old geezer uncle and pop out babies every nine months supported by welfare, the girls don&#8217;t know any better. This is not being INFORMED or CONSENTING, and adult consent should be at least 18.</p>
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		<title>By: pixel</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2006/05/09/will_you_and_you_marry_us/comment-page-1#comment-34897</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tomwright-&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t think you have to &quot;legalize and regulate&quot; polygamy.  Well, maybe you could legalize, or decriminalize it - but I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any reason to regulate it.  Let&#039;s just enforce the laws we already have.  (Like laws against statutory r-ape.)&lt;br /&gt;
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At what age can you get married in Utah?  I find it interesting that, if you are an adult male and have sex with a 16 year old, it&#039;s r-ape.  But, if her parents agree, you can marry her!&lt;br /&gt;
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Why don&#039;t we just make the legal age to marry 18??  I don&#039;t understand how girls as young as 14 are allowed to marry in some states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tomwright-<br />
I don&#8217;t think you have to &#8220;legalize and regulate&#8221; polygamy.  Well, maybe you could legalize, or decriminalize it &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any reason to regulate it.  Let&#8217;s just enforce the laws we already have.  (Like laws against statutory r-ape.)</p>
<p>At what age can you get married in Utah?  I find it interesting that, if you are an adult male and have sex with a 16 year old, it&#8217;s r-ape.  But, if her parents agree, you can marry her!</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t we just make the legal age to marry 18??  I don&#8217;t understand how girls as young as 14 are allowed to marry in some states.</p>
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