It is hard for me to believe that any woman can really believe in Mohammed. They just don’t have the choice but to accept the misogyny because they don’t have the power.

Have you listened to the song online, “Islam’s not for me”?

essentially, it is not just close to slavery, it is institutionalized child rape and incest.

But it continues this way precisely because it is illegal. Just as in the drug war and prostitution, driving it into the undergound, into the shadows, allows criminals and monsters to control it.

Legalize it, regulate it, so that everyone involved knows what their rights and responsibilities are, so that children are protected and kept out of it, and so that those that have problems know they are protected under the law, and will not fear prosecution for trying to get help.

Young girls isolated in a cult mentality are not informed, let alone adults.

What is really irritating to me is that the mainstream LDS church (the theocracy of Utah) likes to make people think they don’t believe in polygamy. They fully expect to practice it in the next life, and a few of the general authorities of the LDS church are sealed (married for eternity) to more than one woman.

This is why polygamy has become such a problem. The LDS politicians can’t condemn the polygamous practice of the fundamentalists without stepping on the toes of their own doctrine. Joseph Smith introduced polygamy and called it “the new and everlasting” covenant of marriage.

Supposedly “God” told them to stop the practice when UT needed to become a state (what a coincidence!). Frankly I think the LDS leaders in UT are very worried if the practice becomes legal. They would have a hard time explaining why they shouldn’t be following Joseph Smith and Brigham Young’s teachings.

The reason this polygamy problem got out of control was because the Mormon Church didn’t know how to placate the doctrine while expecting people not to practice it.

Damn cult. I was a Mormon for 50 years before I studied my way out. I’m sickened to hear the main Mormon Church continuously pretend they have nothing to do with it.

When you teach isolated young girls God wants them to marry some old geezer uncle and pop out babies every nine months supported by welfare, the girls don’t know any better. This is not being INFORMED or CONSENTING, and adult consent should be at least 18.

At what age can you get married in Utah? I find it interesting that, if you are an adult male and have sex with a 16 year old, it’s r-ape. But, if her parents agree, you can marry her!

Why don’t we just make the legal age to marry 18?? I don’t understand how girls as young as 14 are allowed to marry in some states.

Utah: The law states that marriage at the age of 18 years and above does not require parental consent. For those aged 16-17, parental consent is necessary. For those 15 years old, the following requirements must be met: Parental consent must be obtained. Approval from Juvenile Court is necessary. The court must conclude that the marriage is voluntary and in the best interests of the minor.

http://www.coolnurse.com/marriage_laws.htm

That pretty much sums up what I would have said.

Lee

I don’t think you have to “legalize and regulate” polygamy. Well, maybe you could legalize, or decriminalize it – but I don’t think there’s any reason to regulate it. Let’s just enforce the laws we already have. (Like laws against statutory r-ape.)

By regulate, I mean treat the same as current 2-person marriage. That is regulated as well. After all, if you need to get a license, it is regulated.
Though I would like to see less regulation.

You are mistaken that polygamous Mormonism is not a problem in Canada. They have a town in BC, called Bountiful. No children are getting help there.

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/religion/article.jsp?content=20041213_94591_94591

There are about a thousand FLDS people there, split by the fight between Warren Jeffs and Winston Blackmore to be the prophet/leader. Women and girls are regularly sent to men in their various communities in the US. When the prophet wishes, a man’s wives and children can be taken from him and sent to live with another man.

Jeffs just made the FBI most wanted.

Besides welfare, they get hundreds of thousands of dollars each year from the Provincial government to run their ‘private school’. Almost no-one graduates. Girls only need to make babies, cook, clean and sew. They are taught that the only way they can ever get to heaven is if their husband calls them. A man cannot get to heaven unless he has multiple wives.

Almost all the property and businesses in the town is in the hands of the senior men. Their sons work for free in the businesses. Boys who do not have the right connections are booted out to keep the ratio of girls/old men at the desired level.

Practically none of these ‘lost boys’ will have graduated from ’school’ and all are very poorly equipped to make their way in normal society.

For over twenty years the attorney general’s office has dithered over prosecution. They do have problems getting witnesses or victims to testify as people are taught they are required to lie to authorities. Undercover cops are useless in this setup.

There are also fumbling excuses about constitutional rights to freedom of religion trumping anti-poligamy laws, but no-one has cared to make a test case.

Jeffs has been quoted as saying his followers are expected to die or kill at his command.

All the Abrahamic religions are patriarchic, but it is hard to imagine one more extreme and damaging than the FLDS.

Our take is this: Immigrants (mostly Islamic) arrive in Canada already married to several women. The first one is recognised by law, not the others. When the man dumps his extra wives, they are left with nada and the state (we the taxpayers) must pick up the bill and support a woman and her children on whelfare for the rest of her life because she lacks education and/or knowledge of english or french. If those marriages were recognised, the husband would have to pay alemony/support.

The case with children born in cults is not (anymore) a problem in Canada
There aren’t many Mormons here, and since the Rock “Mo?se” Theriault affair children born to cult members are kept closely watched and pulled away at a moment’s notice.

Mo?se was a man pretending to be the new messiah and lived removed from society, had several children to brainwashed women, and some of them still love him and are waiting for the guy to get his parole (denied on several occasion) while he’s serving time for the murder of one of his wives and severing the arm off another.

But hey, people get freedom of religion, who are we to judge what they do with it?

he he, on a sidenote, a popular comedian here once said about muslims:

Imagine a mulsim man coming home drunk at 3 am with 4 mad wives waiting for him with frying pans, I can’t even handle one! It’s no wonder they pray on their hands and knees!