Look! On the FBI’s most wanted list! It’s a political diversion! It’s the sudden prosecution of a problem that’s existed and festered for decades! It POLYGAMISTS!Andrea Moore-Emmett, an award-winning journalist came and spoke about this issue at the last convention, and she completely changed my mind about this. I used to think that it was just an alternative lifestyle. I didn’t realize it bordered on slavery. In general, when adults are involved I vote for freedom — unless there is crime, or a danger to children. You get my point.
I’ve never bungee jumped, but a friend tried both and says they are not comparable.
You don’t get blood rushing to the head while skydiving, just 60 seconds of pure bliss! And the adrenalin rush will leave you feeling great for two days!
And, as our intructor puts it: When your girlfriend/boyfriend asks which is best between skydiving and sex, be VERY careful of how you break it to them…
Seriously, it’s THAT great.
About your tattoo, I don’t have to tell you about following trends: they wear off, tatoos don’t. Be sure it means something to you, makes you think.
Sorry I missed most of this thread. cry4turtles said:
Sure. Well, it’s usually referred to as polyamory these days. More of a free love kind of thing than the misogynistic power trip of traditional polygamy.
http://www.nerve.com/Dispatches/Daum/husbandsAndWives/main.asp
Regarding the earlier onet of puberty, I found this website:
http://www.mum.org/menarage.htm
Basically, it says that “the average age of menarche dropped from about 17 to 12.8 during the period 1830-1962. The trend seems to have stopped, with the age of menarche leveling off at 12.6.
Causes of the trend:
The most widely held belief is that the trend has occurred due to improved nutrition. Children today are bigger and heavier than in the past. Improved nutrition allows for normal growth.”
The reports say that the age of menarche has leveled off since the 60’s, but there is a trend toward seeing secondary signs of puberty (pubic hair, development of breasts, etc.) at a younger age which might be caused by hormones in our food, etc.
BUT, just because teens are maturing physically faster, that does not mean that they are maturing any faster EMOTIONALLY.
I look at my 5′8″ 8th grader with whiskers sprouting on his chin and think how grown up he looks – but he is still VERY immature emotionally!
Deadly, you seem to be a very mature 16 year old, in that you feel ready to be sexually active, but aren’t out there sleeping with anyone and everyone.
I agree that teens are out there partying and having sex. But, that is NOTHING new! 30 years ago, when I was a teen, there was plenty of sex, drugs, and rock & roll! AND, we didn’t have to worry about AIDS! Our biggest concern was getting pregnant, or getting caught drinking.
I still think we need to choose an age where a person is fully adult. I think it’s ridiculous to say you are an adult at 18, but you can’t drink! Well, are you an adult, or not?
It would be nice, ideally, if we could evaluate every single person and decide if they meet the qualifications for adulthood, but that would be too difficult to do. Let’s just pick an age, and stick to it. Let’s face it, some people aren’t grown-up at 35!
And Deadly, I was just teasing you about the tattoo! I personally think tattoos are disgusting – especially when I see a pretty young girl with some huge tattoo across her back – yuck! BUT, it’s your body and you should do what you want with it.
Hmmm, I have to say that racing can be included in that as well.
mx hells yaeh man hells yaeh racing is life my friend.
Deadly Doomham:
Tattoos.
I’ve got an eagle on my chest. Unfortunately, it’s positioned in such a way that my chest hair seems to be…coming out of an orifice.
I was young, foolish, & subject to peer pressure at the time. The carnies I traveled w/were all getting 1. I settled on an eagle, but I asked the tattooist to leave out the skull (in its claws).
Advice: make sure you have it done on a beefy part of your bod. I had it done on my chest, & HOLY CHI-MOLY! I had all these weird little nerve twinges shooting pain all thru my torso.
Artist says to me: “Hey, you’re doing pretty good! Most people are screaming by now.” (I hear that from dentists, too, BTW).
Always wanted a samurai in full armor on me back. Problem w/that: most folks would think I was yakuza, or something stupid like that.
deadly makesure the tatto parlor sterlizes every thing and has a good record lso see if there is a certified master tattoist in your town there is only one in omaha and he has a five month waiting list but he is the only artist id go to and like reluctant said if its your first or cant stand much pain get it on muscle or fat any where near bone will hurt like nonexstinthell
reluctant now youve got to put a picture up on your blog or at least send me a pic of your tat i want to see this eagle not to laough mind you well maybe just a little.
udonman:
I dunno…lemmee think about it. The camera & I are not good friends.
Not that I mind folks laughing at me. As long as it’s the occasional chuckle, not many hours worth.
dont worry I wont use it as fodder on any of my blogs so the people that do hit my blogs wont be laoughing for hours just me laoughing for a few minutes.
are you using a digital camera and if so what type I can give you some pointers if you want?
DD
I’m getting my first tattoo tomorrow. I drew a sun with some Celtic flavor to it and put the atheist atomic symbol in the center. Will see if the tat artist can copy it. If not, I’ll check out his flash art for a cool sun.
For my left arm or breast, haven’t decided.
ra
Love the eagle story. Would also like to see a pic!
A friend of mine does tattoos…Scotty Lowe (the flying ace) he’s pretty well known in the industry. Check out http://shotsiestattoo.com/gallery.html and click on Scotty. Check out the train he did on the last page of his portfolio.
spanders
Your friend Scotty does some amazing work! Train was great, but I loved the tiger!
Scotty Lowe I think Ive seen his work somewhere before probably skin n ink if its him sweet graet line artist
this is my tat artist
jesse
OK, if I did I withdraw the sock puppet comment. I do not remember the gollum and wormtoungue bit, but it does sound rather creative.
I have sensed some mucous on mine as well…but that is part of debate, provided it is backed up.
Need a towel?
Considering the numbers of people that have died due to malaria that only reappeared after the ban, and that some african countries are startingto use ddt again in defiance of their ‘european betters’, I think it is not a myth.
Only the henny penny fundamentalist religious part of the movement that insists on civiizational suicide beyond all reason. Nothing wrong about caring for the environment, until that caring starts advocate genocide, whether explicitly or implicitly.
Nope, never said that or implied it. They are just as subject to criticism as any other country. But much of what I see is totally biased and presented by people that ignore far worse behaviour on the part of authoritarian, fascist islamic regimes that run around beheading gays, women and sending children to commit suicide murders with bombs starpped to them.
Did I forget the links?
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/06/then.now/
http://www.northwestern.edu/observer/issues/2005/04/28/redish.html
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2539.html
Even the Nation acknowledges the veracity of Venona.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990705/schneir
Though they do spend a lot of time twisting and bending to try to limit the damage they do.
None of these changes McCarthys basic nature as a nasty little demagougic badger who did much to discredit himself in his zeal for self promotion, but even nasty little demagogic badgers can be right.
tomwright:
Mighty white of you.
So was your solution: ignore everything I said, for the entire thread.
Well, from what I’ve seen, 80% (or thereabouts) of your opinion seems intertwined w/the contents of your wallet.
Here:
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/04/mozambique_and_ddt.php
Also, factors left out of the equation are insects are known to develop tolerance for poison.
Also,
http://www.cdc.gov/Malaria/history/#eradicationworldwide
Sounds to me like you’ve been hanging out at the Rand site. I’ve seen you discuss at length about how the environment can take the hits, so to speak, how we can’t measure stats in accordance w/past stats.
I recall seeing a picture 2 decades ago, where a Tokyo officer was paying money to take a hit of oxygen. We also have polluted water tables. & if you live in the Bay Area, we have ’spare the air’ days out here, the pollution is so bad. & I’ve been to China, & I’ve seen how ‘nature’ is weathering the abuse. Not so well.
Well, maybe on an xtian identity site, but not this 1. I admit that Alex goes overboad somewhat, but he seems to take shots at all sides.
Tell ya what: let’s hear YOUR criticisms of Israel, then?
Far as I’m concerned, the allowable amount of dead palistinean children should be equal to the same amount of Israeli children: ZERO.
Thanks. That was exceptionally informative. Withdrawn.
But no, you’ve been less than respectful on occasion.
P.S, I agree w/most of your points on the Waco debacle.
If that was true, I would have a fatter wallet. But even if it was true, are you saying that only arguments that impoverish are legitimate?
Ben Franklin was fond of saying words to the effect: Do well by doing good.
Considering the numbers of people that have died due to malaria that only reappeared after the ban, and that some african countries are starting to use ddt again in defiance of their ‘european betters’, I think it is not a myth.
In the first post it appears they try to dismiss an an entire argument by one person due to a single mistake. I do not know any of the people referenced so I can not argue their case.
However, some of what they touch on I can comment on. They say DDT was effective and then go on to mention anti-malarials as a replacement, (unless I misread that). anti-malarials are pharmaceuticals used to treat the disease after infection, and are relatively expensive, especially for poor nations typical of malarial areas.
Bed nets are hardly an answer. Do they expect people to live their lives in bed? How do they fo to school, work, cook, eat etc?
They say malaria was almost eradicated inthe 1960’s without DDT. What the hell do they call the decades of DDT use across the entire golbe that occured prior to the 1960’s? This is like claiming that you almost cooked dinner, and that the fire had nothing to do with it. What did, the anti-malarials that were developed afterwards?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/08/010806074841.htm
I know you dislike Milloy, but he has good resources.
From his site:
http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm
with references. Not everything is on the web, so no links. But I have checked much of what is presented there, especially the conflict of interest and prejudicial stance of Ruckelshaus before any hearings or evidence was presented.
Oh please, not her! (shudder)
I am not sure I follow this, but I do not think I said that.
And people used to have pet rocks, and in Japan people dress up as cartoon characters from pr0n0graphic cartoons for fun. Fads are not science.
Air pollution is at much better levels than it was even 10 years ago. It can be better. The same is true of water pollution. Do we need regulations? Yes. But we ignore other solutions that I think would be far more effective, Solutions that empower individuals without requireing them to go begging to a govt politician or bureaucrat for help.
China is going through what Europe and north america did a century ago, akin to the industrial revolution. please note that China is also a soc!al!st state with all kinds of environmental regulations and little or no property rights. They have the kinds of solutions that the Green Party types advocate. Relying on self interested polititicians and bureaucrats gets you what China has.
I recall some unsavory stuf from others than alex, but I am not gonna go searching.
Any country based on religous law is fundamentally based on irrationality. While Israel does temper that with a very open political system, it remains based on that irrationality.
While open, it is also based on an unstable parliamentary system that should be changed to something more stable with fixed election cycles.
They certainly made mistakes in Lebanon, hopefully they learned from them.
I agree. But the dead israeli children are due to deliberate targeting as a matter of policy by palestinian authorities. The dead palestinian children are dead due to errors made by soldiers in the field, defensively responding to attacks by those same palestinians. Sometimes unavoidable errors.
None of the children are dead, but there is a difference there that if you can not see it, I am not sure how to explain it.
Yes I have. I have come to have knee jerk responces to some things, from arguing with leftists so often.
tomwright:
No, you didn’t.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but you’ve inferred I was a sock puppet, claimed I was a cross between Gollum & Wormtongue, & overall have pretty much spat on many of my opinions.
Well, I’ve seen you trot out the ‘DDT genocide’ myth, marginalize the environmentalist movement, & pretty much infer any criticism of Israel is contemptible. Not to mention your citing of McCarthy as being correct, w/out any links whatsoever.
If off on any of this, apologies.
Ahh, the “ass hat”, a terrible choice, definitely bad when a half rate hack does the work. My word of advice, shop around & ask to see pics of the artists work. You only get what you pay for.
DD,
I applaud your youthful restraint. I’m very aware of the contemporary maturation rate. There are several reasons for this one of them being the amount of growth hormones in dairy products consumed. I don’t doubt that you were “ready” to drink, party, and have sex at 16. This is the typical mindset of a teen. Add 20 years to your life, when you look back you’ll know you were not as ready as you thought you were.
I feel that teens of like age should expolre their sexuality (with protected sex of course and with descretion). Love is a powerful emotion to teens (hey-adults too!). I recommend that teens at least hold out until love fuels their desire (whether it be at 16, 17, 18, or 20)-it’s really worth the wait. This is a wonderfully exciting time in your life. You should lose your virginity with a girl your own age. That’s the way it’s supposed to happen, the healthy way.
My concern is when a 35 year old man/woman wants into the pants of a 17 year old girl/boy. This is not healthy and could send a tender teen into a downward spiral.
And just what are the motives of this 35 yr old? Love? I doubt it. Pedophilia? Even though the girl/boy may look mature, in psychological development s/he is eons apart from the 35 yr old, and the 35 yr old knows it, not the teen. This is taking advantage of a child no matter what culture is involved.
About the tattoo, you might as well go for it. If you regret it in future years, look around, you’ll have a hell of a lot of company!
With extended thought, I feel compelled to explain my “multitude of reasons”. First, it was somewhat hypothetical because with Bush’s Patriot Act, the govt doesnt really need a reason to raid my home. However if thay wanted to dig deep-I am a poster on this website. In the xian town I live in, it may be considered a “crime”. Perhaps the reason I meant most is this-every now and then, after a hard day’s work and in the privacy of my own home, I like to smoke a joint. I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s. It is a part of my culture. Some may say I’m a criminal, but they probably won’t be from my generation.
My police officer friends agree with me that it’s ridiculous to chase folks like me (yeah, they know I occasionally smoke-never on the job, I couldn’t handle it) when teenagers are laying on the sidewalk half-dead (or dead) from heroion (of which I’ve never touched).
I hope that defines me a bit clearer.
Thank you for your patience.
tomwright,
Glad to see you back. Thought you were hot on my trail. We may disagree on some things, but I’m not as think as you bad I am. Oops! Too many Buds tonight!
WTF? Are you kidding me? No, no 1 rational would say that.
Here, I’ll raise you a Gandhi:
“You have to be the change you want to see in the world.”
I’ll have to do some more research on that. I read somewhere that the bans were actually regulations, but no, don’t have link, sorry.
See, I’d rather have the stats, the entire picture, than rely on anyone. You or me. I understand your point though.
Got me there.
Good question.
Well, it was only in use for approx. 20 years. The medical dictionary states that it’s toxic to humans & animals as well.
A study showing how it impacted the natives of said regions would be nice, but probably impossible to obtain.
You’ve got me confused w/someone else. Like r4d.
Okay, I’ll look at it.
Well, much of what you say about environmentalists sounds eerily similar.
Well, I’ll look it up, but I recall a discussion where I brought up the warped weather patterns, you dismissed it, & I vaguely (operative word here) you espousing an opinion that the earth can absorb the output. Something like that.
AHEM. EXCUSE ME. That was in NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC. Not a fad. Tokyo is HORRIBLY polluted.
Here’s a link from 1970, no less:
http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1970-7/1970-07-20-ABC-15.html
Such as?
Be that as it may, it’s a good example of how nature’s NOT absorbing the industrial output.
Can’t say as I blame you.
Would’ve been nice of you to qualify that in the WW3 thread.
That sounds rational.
I dunno, whether it’s the environment over there, it’s a steep learning curve, or so it seems.
Here, try these:
http://www.salam-shalom.net/salam-shalom/arc042502.html
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/
I’m saying that’s the standard EVERYONE should play by. I’m an idealist, I know.
You must have some major knee problems, then, from what I can see.
tomwright skipped from defending koresh–at least implicitly–to explicitly defending Israeli IDF terrorists, leaving out mother teresa.
The Israeli military does deliberately attack Palestinian children and other Palestinian civilians. The Israeli government and the Israeli military are totally contemptable and condamnable.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/
Casualties have increased during the past few years as the occupying forces imposed tighter controls. From September 2000 until March 2006, 3982 Palestinians and 1084 Israelis were killed in the conflict, and this includes many children: 708 Palestinians and 123 Israelis.
http://wwwtompaine.com/articles/2006/03/09/colonization_of_palestine_precludes_peace.php
(for some reason, this link is not accepted, just put a . after www)
The zionists have always been extremely brutal to civilians.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story674.html
The zionists know that they are illegal colonists and squatters so they do their best to turn attention by blaming their victims. The so-called settlers are also allowed to kill.
“Israeli Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin announced that Israeli civilians have the same authority as soldiers to shoot. He added that soldiers need not fire warning shots before shooting Palestinians. [13f] Newsweek was more explicit: ?The decree meant Israeli soldiers could shoot to kill Palestinian youths … Yitzhak Rabin [was] effectively deputizing settlers.? [13g] The decision, according to Newsweek, would ?open the floodgates of the 60,000 settlers? pent-up frustration [sic].? It was not long before an attack occurred. On April 6, settlers engaging in a clear provocation shot in cold blood a Palestinian working in his field outside the village of Beita.”
It is Israeli policy.
“One of the most vicious incidents occurred in the town of Qalqiya. Soldiers entered the house of workers and poured gasoline over them, setting them alight. Six workers were covered in flames. Four of the victims managed to rush out of the building and rolled on the ground, ripping off their clothes. Two were severely burned and are in critical condition.
On February 20, two youths were arrested in Khan Yunis, beaten savagely and taken to the beach where they were buried alive under the sand. After the soldiers left, villagers managed to dig them out.
Reports in the establishment press give a glimpse of the scale of Israeli brutality. A soldier?s account reported in the Israeli newspaper Hadashot was cited in Newsweek:
We got orders to knock on every door, enter and take out all the males. The younger ones we lined up with their faces against the wall, and soldiers beat them with billy-clubs. This was no private initiative. These were the orders from our company commander. [13c]“
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/pref.htm
The list goes on and on.
You guys are gonna love this:
http://www.jcnot4me.com/Videos/Kissing_Hanks_Ass-video.mov
Hmmm, I have to say that racing can be included in that as well.
Will someone please pull out of my post anywhere I defended Koresh?
I condemned law enforcements use of the equivelant of a nuke to serve a simple arrest warrant.
I expalined that many of the charges used on a federal warrant were not under federal jurisdiction
I also said that these non-federal charges of improper conduct with a child had been investigated by texas and found to be either untrue, within state law, or had insufficiant evidence to prosecute.
I also referred to koresh thusly:
“That does not mean Koresh was not a creepie little turd.”
and
“But being a cult member/leader kinda proves he was dumb to start with.”
so how is all of that DEFENDING him?
Further more, how is a a threat to point out that someone has tacitly admitted to activities that the authorites may find worthy of a raid?
Too frequently I find on this list people that claim to be atheists, yet they engage in the same twisting use of language that fundies do. Any disagreement or deviation from a strict script of what is ‘accepted’ is treated as if some sort of heretical atrocity has ocurred.
Fanaticism is not exclusive to the right it would appear.
Disagreeing is one thing, deliberate twisting and misrepresentation is another.
R4D and RA and others hers have all had disagreements with me, yet I think we overall treated each other with respect, if somewhat agressivly at times.
But some of you seem to have the idea that hurling accusations, twisting words into lies andmaking the most outrageous claims somehow supports your positions. Those I dismiss with, I think, justified derision and contempt.
If you disagree with someone, argue back with facts and truth, and stop taking your examples of debate from international answer and david horowitz.
First synthesized in the late 1800’s, (which is new to me), use as a pesticide discovered early in WW2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT
So about 30 years call it, more in some areas.
Wikipedia can be troublesome, but as of now the listing is not too bad. Better than many of the more highly politicized entries.
Oops, maybe. Maybe even from another site. left-sounding arguments all start to blend together after a while
Oh I hope not. But then a lot of people think all Rap sounds the same or that Beethoven and Brahms are the same also.
I have heard this, especially the odors. I worked for a Japanese company for years, but my role did not need travel to there, though others did. Like everywhere, the contrasts they described were interesting. One guy was a xtian fudie. He came back fast because he could not take the junk mail. It was almost all p0rn related.
Treat pollution as a preoperty crime when it impinges on property, or as an assault when it injurs a person, or both if it does both.
Turn the EPA funtions over to police agencies.
If your property is polluted, call the cops. They find the polluter and charge him.
If you are affected by pollution, call the cops.
Under a more individualist legal treatment, more in line with our legal history, people would need to be far more careful over what they release into the air. They could not hide behind regulations claiming some agency said it was OK.
Polluters would be in jail under my scenario, just like some common street mugger, making restitution directly to those injured, preferably with their own money, not into some govt bank account to be pilfered by politicians for their own uses.
They would not be paying fines with stockholders money while sitting on the beach in the Caicos sipping Johnny Walker Blue label with Senators, as happens now, (that is rhetorical, not emperical).
Also, instead of hoping some small cadre of EPA invstigators is able to inspect every industrial plant in the country, or complaining to a bureaucrat and hoping he had not been bribed yet, or that the polluter was not a crony of whichever party is in power, there would be millions of eyes out there, looking out for their OWN self interest in their own health and property, and turning that into a public benefit. Working WITH huan nature rather than against it.
At some level of concentration, volumne and proximity, that is true. But nature will absorb it eventually. Look at how well US rivers have recoverd, simply by STOPPING the addition of new pollutants. Add active cleanup in some cases and most is mitigated. Nature works on million year time scales, humans work on decade long time scales.
China is in an especially difficult situation, because their people have been oppressed for so long by soc!al!st tyranny, that now that there is some loosening of the economy they are in a mad rush to improve things. They are not taking care of immediate environmental problems caused by this. With a population of well over 1,300,000,000 people, many living under very poor conditions, including famine, they have huge problems to solve. Their rulers have realized that soc!al!st central planning hos totaly failed and they are trying to bring in reforms, but they are in for a rough ride.
Hopefully, they will be able to bring in new technology, like PBMR’s, that will mitigate what is now being done.
None of that seems to show a deliberate israeli policy of targeting and killing palestinian civilians or children, as the palestinians target israelis. If anything it shows that the palestinians are deliberately shielding themselves with their own civilians, while the israelis are trying to minimize collateral casualties.
Considering the strength of the israeli military, if they wanted to wipe out the palestinians, they could have done so long ago.
As well, to equate what the israelis are doing to what the nazi’s did is pure insanity. Show me the concentration camps that have gas chambers, work camps where palestinians are worked to death while starving, and cremetoriums for disposal of the bodies.
Sure there are abuses. We are talking about humans. We see these kinds of abuses and beating here in the US by cops all the time, that does not mean there is a government policy to do it.
When such things happen, how authorities respond is more imporatant. From what I have seen in general, when these things happen the israeli authorities take it seriously, as do ours. Their are differeces, sure. The US is not surrounded by hostile, well armed neighbors that want to obliterate us, as is israel, so there will be different reactions. We have the luxury of criticizing from the sidelines, we are not at risk.
There’s some knobs out there using it as a political blog lately.
Oh geez, thanks. Here I thought I was walking a middle road more often than not. We all sound alike?
Maybe you should go take a gander. I read an article on that website, carrying on about how environmentalists are the real danger these days (turn back the clock, stone age hippies, etc. was the flavor. Guy was a PH.D, no less).
Be that as it may, my ex-GF lived over there for 12 years. Her son was constantly sick. They move here…boom! Kid’s health changes drastically.
That’s a very interesting approach.
I agree w/all of that. Those are great solutions.
These are all good points. There’s foreseeable problems, though. I always draw the analogy of Muhammed Ali. He was an incredibly tough boxer. His rope-a-dope technique worked like a charm wearing out his opponents. But look what happened to him. Too many head shots.
Yeah, pretty aware of the open-market experiment they’re doing. It is a 3rd world country, after all.
I assume that the acronym means pebble bed modular reactor?
Coupla snippets from the 2nd link:
“Today?s uprising ? termed the ?Second Intifada? ? was sparked when an Israeli general, Ariel Sharon, known for his slaughter of Palestinian civilians throughout his career, visited a Jerusalem holy site, accompanied by over a thousand armed Israeli soldiers. When some Palestinian youths threw stones, Israeli soldiers responded with live gunfire, killing 5 the first day, and 10 the second.”
Also:
“While the large majority of Palestinians oppose suicide bombings, many feel that armed resistance has become necessary ? much as Americans supported war after the attack at Pearl Harbor. Nevertheless, only a small portion take an active part in the resistance, despite the fact that virtually all support its aim: to create a nation free from foreign oppression.”
Likewise, the early Americans could’ve done the same to the Amerindians.
Hey, I never said that, did I? You got me confused w/someone else. Besides, that’s a clear violation of Goodwin’s Law, which I strenuously try to abide by.
Really not crazy about the ‘Sure, that’s how people are, whaddaya going to about it?’ attitude. It’s a valid point, but not a valid defense.
All good points. Still not a valid rationale to chuck the Geneva Convention, for either side.
BTW, thanks for being somewhat rational this time.
Reluctantatheist:
In a sense they are. They have largely abandoned science except when it supports their political arguments. Look at the rhetoric and tactics. They are mirror images of the fundie ID’ers.
Many of the founders of the environmental movement are starting to speak out against this. Notably Patrick Moore : http://www.greenspirit.com/home.cfm
A.S. Absolute Sh!!T
B.S. Bull S.
M.S. More S.
PH.D Piled Higher and Deeper
I am not surprised. Most of the Japanese I knew that were assigned here by the home office did not want to go back. Some didn’t.
Yes, sorry.
What would happen if a high ranking official of the US govt went to a historic site and some protesters started throwing rocks and acting in a threatening manner? What would the Secret Service, FBI, Capitol Police etc do?
Which is true of most rebellions. Even the American revolution was supported by, at the highest estimates I have seen, only 30% of the population.
The numbers were reversed in that case, though later, as the European population expanded, they did.
No you didn’t, but the article did. And I was not calling someone, nor equating them with nazi/hitler. I was calling them out on it. So if anything, I was bringing up Godwins Law.
Not using it as a defense. As an explanation. There is a difference. Humans are not robots and will react, properly or improperly, to threats.
Never said they were. But humans are humans, not boolean logic gates.
I am always rational, just more or less passionate about some issues, and less willing to suffer fools, (not you), that refuse to learn from history.
poligamists would probably think a lot differently if women were allowed to have multiple husbands.
Bravo Evil Alien Athiest! If we women had multiple husbands, we wouldn’t be called polygamists, we would be evil, power hungry, control freak, Amazonian bitches. It’s that pesky double-standard. Kinda like the stud vs whore thing.