ALEXANDRIA, Va. (April 3) – Jurors in the death-penalty trial of Zacarias Moussaoui reached a verdict Monday on whether the confessed al-Qaida terror conspirator is eligible for execution
Now here’s a good topic prime for heated discussion. This SOB was involved in the faith-based murder of thousands of innocent people. If the jury finds him guilty, is it justifiable to execute?American Atheists has no official opinion on the Death Penalty, and usually I oppose it personally. But this time seems different. Is it an urge for revenge for 911, or is it actually justifiable that we kill a killer?
It does make you wonder. Can you deter suicide bombers with the death penalty?
We need to keep the death penalty, just like the rest of these fine countries.
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flanonblvr
Are the Iraqis Terrorists? If you were fighting an invading force in your country I’m sure you’d view yourself as a freedom fighter, a patriot.
It may be a good time to remember that Iraq had nothing at all to do with any terrorist attack on America.
Haha yes, I’m sure EVERY terrorist on the planet is secretly taking time off his busy schedule of praying to Allah and strapping himself to bombs, and using that time to tune in to the latest from Howard Dean and John Kerry. You know, when he’s not being shot at or air-stricken.
And then when he hears these two OBVIOUSLY influential men speaking, he just manages to work up the courage to blow himself to bits. Yes, our media is the driving force behind terrorism.
agathonist wrote:
i didn’t explain that well and had a misspelling. i talked with the soldiers themselves. it is the sons complaint and perception that i was referring to.
yes, but while you are trying to change them you may have to kill some in the interval. since their hatred is religion based, change will be slow. not in our lifetimes. more like hundreds or thousands of years in my opinion.
spanders wrote:
no, my point was that a decision had to be made and someone had the courage to make the call. the right or wrong of any “move” can be debated forever. just like iraq, afghanistan, vietnam, american civil war, and just about any war you care to analyze.
well, the difference is they value a rich afterlife for killing infidels. while our actions may not always be the noblest, as far as i know not even xtians feel that way about their heaven. although gw did once mention about god favored our excursion into iraq or something to that effect.
as far as the the issue of saving life for life’s sake, well that is not easily answered or discussed. i do think one should always look at minimizing the total negative consequences of everything we do in our lives. so if i can delay death by removing cancerous cells, then i may elect to take the short term pain for the long term gain. it is no different with war. some people just have a hard time accepting that diplomacy and “talking things over” will not always diffuse a situation and may sometimes make it worse.
sometimes short term losses are required to reduce long term losses. problem is we never really know if we took the best course of action. i don’t think we can ever really know that when it comes to something as complex as war.
agathonist and deadly:
i’m talking about the insurgents and terrorists in iraq. and just repeating what the soldiers told me. i would tend to value that more so than second or third hand filtered information we get through the media.
most definitely
There once was a man in Afghanistan,
But he didn’t go to live in Japan,
He converted to Christianity,
And by rule of insanity,
Will never be tried there again.
Not my best.
-J?r?me
Jerome better then mine at least yours was five lines
sorry but his thread is going stale faster than the week old bread on top of my fridge
deadly
hammer nail head hit dead on
For over fifty years the US has been meddling and intervening in the affairs of other Arab countries. Since the early fifties arabs have been committing acts of violence against Americans (and especially Israelis). With the exception of airline hijackings all of the attacks were on foreign soil. Arabs do not want any US military presence in the middle east; since that occurred the attacks have increased and resulted in the two attacks on the WTC. The WTC attack was instigated by US foreign policy to enable the US to expand it’s war on terror.
Ending terror against America and Americans is easy – just vacate the Middle East.
Execute Moussoui? Why not; the British executed Nathan Hale; and one more life won’t make a difference.
It’s interesting the large number of soci-lists, communists, fascists, government cheerleaders and butt kissers found here amongst atheists. Whatever happened to the freedom loving capitalists ? Your hero Bush is a fascist that loves to use the word freedom to bullshit his large following.
steamer wtf
the reason I dont think he should be exacuted is because I respect human life no matter the human
WHAT THE FUCK how did you come to this opinion i cant stand bush and I love freedom and ive never been a cheerleader for this current admin but of our goverment as a whole and I will gladly cheer for the system of checks and balances ass long as thy are in place
but I can only speak for my self
and I am sorry if i cant live up to your xtian standards
I as an atheist can only live up to my standards not your book of magic
steamer
Hmm … different time, different crime. In those times the Brits used to execute people for a crime involving anything more then 10 shillings. Do you also advocate executions for such crimes?
Why do you find that interesting (let alone factual)?
Last I heard they were revelling in their tax cuts and reducing benefits to their employees.
Yo man, (hit an exposed nerve?) I think so.
Heathen, my words gained some ‘exposure ?’ I think so.
Atheist
Steamer,
Actually I think your reasoning is puerile in the first part, and you grammar nonsensical in the second.
But perhaps you mean ‘exposure’ in the sense of hypothermia. I might agree with that.
This is why I was asking questions.
Steamer…
Yeah, and a very easy nerve to it is:
The Bullshit Detector.
And you register strongly on that, for some reason.
And steamer…
Uh WHAT?
Bush being a HERO AMONG ATHEISTS?!?!?
Now I CAN go to my grave knowing I’ve HEARD IT ALL!!!.
Steamer said:
“For over fifty years the US has been meddling and intervening in the affairs of other Arab countries. Since the early fifties arabs have been committing acts of violence against Americans (and especially Israelis). With the exception of airline hijackings all of the attacks were on foreign soil. Arabs do not want any US military presence in the middle east; since that occurred the attacks have increased and resulted in the two attacks on the WTC. The WTC attack was instigated by US foreign policy to enable the US to expand it’s war on terror.”
I’m actually in agreement here to a large extent… but just pulling out all military presence from the middle east is sure as shit not going to end terror.
Haha, Bush, a hero for atheists. Whatever you’re on, I’ll take two.
Well, that’s just weird…My yarn spiderweb caught the cat…
Also, if I could, I would smash Bush’s face in with a hammer, he is not my hero.
-J?r?me
Hmmm, execute a man for conspiracy while funding faith based ethnic cleansing with billions of US tax-payer dollars in Palestine, seems to show a little inconsistency.
There can be no justice declared by criminals who are more guilty of far worse crimes than those they prosecute.
There is a much bigger issue to be addressed.
blueflame
Hmmm I don’t recall seeing that as an option for a civilized society. We have a justice system. It’s our obligation to use it.
Practice what you preach – and all that jazz.
Give him a fighting chance. Put him in a room (I think it’d have to be a very big room) with the relatives of those people he has harmed directly or indirectly and let them sort it out. If he can get from one side of the room to the other and make it out the door, he can go free.
Yep, that’s the jist of it.
“kill a killer”–that poses a problem. There is no evidence other than what he “confesses” that he killed anyone.
He does seem to have a deathwish. But is that reason enough to execute him?
He says he is part of Al-Qaeda and that he was working for Bin Laden. But on September 14th, three days after 911, Bin Laden denied that he or his group was responsible.
In 2004, the BBC did a three-part documentary on the myth of terrorism, or the invention of terrorism by the U.S. if you like, called “The Power of Nightmares”.
You can find it easily with a search engine.