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	<title>Comments on: Coat hangers in South Dakota.</title>
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		<title>By: DVanWechel</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2006/03/08/coat_hangers_in_south_dakota/comment-page-1#comment-29550</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so it begins...&lt;br /&gt;
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By the way, off topic but inline with Dave&#039;s comment regarding keeping religion out of government, here is a good one for all of us:&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html&lt;br /&gt;
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HMDK,&lt;br /&gt;
Is Denmark a nice place to live?&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so it begins&#8230;</p>
<p>By the way, off topic but inline with Dave&#8217;s comment regarding keeping religion out of government, here is a good one for all of us:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html</a></p>
<p>HMDK,<br />
Is Denmark a nice place to live?</p>
<p>What about New Zealand, HeatheNZ?</p>
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		<title>By: A_Rational_Being</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2006/03/08/coat_hangers_in_south_dakota/comment-page-1#comment-29551</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;ve been reading and blogging about Orwell&#039;s masterpiece 1984. In 1984 the control of the people is accomplished by the government&lt;br /&gt;
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In the US it&#039; looking more and more like control will be via government and religion which will eventually lead to a theocracy so this move makes perfect sense...&lt;br /&gt;
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A Rational Being</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;ve been reading and blogging about Orwell&#8217;s masterpiece 1984. In 1984 the control of the people is accomplished by the government</p>
<p>In the US it&#8217; looking more and more like control will be via government and religion which will eventually lead to a theocracy so this move makes perfect sense&#8230;</p>
<p>A Rational Being</p>
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		<title>By: Peach63</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dave.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;The abortion issue is not about abortion, but rather about religious people forcing other people to obey the religious way of life. Gay rights, death with dignity, school prayer -- all the same thing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That is exactly the point I always try to make to theists.  No one is ever going to agree across the board on polarizing issues such as these, but no one really HAS to agree, do they?  As long as the people who want to have abortions still have the freedom to have them if they wish, the people who are against it don&#039;t have to have them.  Same with death with dignity, gay marriage, etc.  I simply do not understand their need to micro-manage the lives of other people based upon their religious beliefs.  &lt;br /&gt;
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What we have to work on is getting that point across to the general public.  We have been unsuccessful in getting these people to understand that what they are asking for ultimately is a theocracy based upon Judeo-Christian belief, and I don&#039;t think they realize that even they don&#039;t really want that!  It seems as if they are unable to look past their emotions on the issue at hand and see the big picture.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dave.</p>
<blockquote><p>The abortion issue is not about abortion, but rather about religious people forcing other people to obey the religious way of life. Gay rights, death with dignity, school prayer &#8212; all the same thing.</p></blockquote>
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That is exactly the point I always try to make to theists.  No one is ever going to agree across the board on polarizing issues such as these, but no one really HAS to agree, do they?  As long as the people who want to have abortions still have the freedom to have them if they wish, the people who are against it don&#8217;t have to have them.  Same with death with dignity, gay marriage, etc.  I simply do not understand their need to micro-manage the lives of other people based upon their religious beliefs.  </p>
<p>What we have to work on is getting that point across to the general public.  We have been unsuccessful in getting these people to understand that what they are asking for ultimately is a theocracy based upon Judeo-Christian belief, and I don&#8217;t think they realize that even they don&#8217;t really want that!  It seems as if they are unable to look past their emotions on the issue at hand and see the big picture.</p>
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		<title>By: tomwright</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2006/03/08/coat_hangers_in_south_dakota/comment-page-1#comment-29557</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is certainly troubling, but not a  national disaster.&lt;br /&gt;
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This law does have an exception if the life of the mother is at risk, so if it makes it to the Supreme Court it stands a better chance of being allowed than a complete ban would.&lt;br /&gt;
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But I also think that Justices Thomas, Alito and Roberts are not the rightwing ideolouges they are portrayed to be.&lt;br /&gt;
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While certainly conservative, Thomas has been very vocal in suporting individual rights, more soe than most of the 9. His dissent in the medical marijuana case is great reading.&lt;br /&gt;
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Roberts and Alito are still unknowns, though certainly more likely to vote to support this ban. &lt;br /&gt;
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While Alitos recent letter is somewhat troubling, it could also be read as being similar to the thank-you letter your parents make you write to your aunt for that hideous sweater she got you for a birthday present.&lt;br /&gt;
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Roberts is still somewhat of a cypher, though he does make me nervous. We need to see him in action more to get a better read on him. &lt;br /&gt;
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Even if this is upheld, this is a different world than pre-roe days, when abortion rights were universally banned in all states. I doubt many states would pass a complete ban, and states like Ca, NJ, NY, WI, etc, are not likely to impose anything more restrictive than they have now.&lt;br /&gt;
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While definitely difficult for those involved, I think you will see a lot of &#039;state-line clinics&#039; opened up in neighboring states, followed by a gradual reversal of these bans, though that reversal may take decades to occur.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is certainly troubling, but not a  national disaster.</p>
<p>This law does have an exception if the life of the mother is at risk, so if it makes it to the Supreme Court it stands a better chance of being allowed than a complete ban would.</p>
<p>But I also think that Justices Thomas, Alito and Roberts are not the rightwing ideolouges they are portrayed to be.</p>
<p>While certainly conservative, Thomas has been very vocal in suporting individual rights, more soe than most of the 9. His dissent in the medical marijuana case is great reading.</p>
<p>Roberts and Alito are still unknowns, though certainly more likely to vote to support this ban. </p>
<p>While Alitos recent letter is somewhat troubling, it could also be read as being similar to the thank-you letter your parents make you write to your aunt for that hideous sweater she got you for a birthday present.</p>
<p>Roberts is still somewhat of a cypher, though he does make me nervous. We need to see him in action more to get a better read on him. </p>
<p>Even if this is upheld, this is a different world than pre-roe days, when abortion rights were universally banned in all states. I doubt many states would pass a complete ban, and states like Ca, NJ, NY, WI, etc, are not likely to impose anything more restrictive than they have now.</p>
<p>While definitely difficult for those involved, I think you will see a lot of &#8216;state-line clinics&#8217; opened up in neighboring states, followed by a gradual reversal of these bans, though that reversal may take decades to occur.</p>
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		<title>By: billh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also totally agree.  I also believe the only ones making it an issue are the religious fundies.  I also believe that it is only an &quot;I am holier than thou&quot; action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also totally agree.  I also believe the only ones making it an issue are the religious fundies.  I also believe that it is only an &#8220;I am holier than thou&#8221; action.</p>
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