By the way, off topic but inline with Dave’s comment regarding keeping religion out of government, here is a good one for all of us:

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html

HMDK,
Is Denmark a nice place to live?

What about New Zealand, HeatheNZ?

In the US it’ looking more and more like control will be via government and religion which will eventually lead to a theocracy so this move makes perfect sense…

A Rational Being

The abortion issue is not about abortion, but rather about religious people forcing other people to obey the religious way of life. Gay rights, death with dignity, school prayer — all the same thing.

That is exactly the point I always try to make to theists. No one is ever going to agree across the board on polarizing issues such as these, but no one really HAS to agree, do they? As long as the people who want to have abortions still have the freedom to have them if they wish, the people who are against it don’t have to have them. Same with death with dignity, gay marriage, etc. I simply do not understand their need to micro-manage the lives of other people based upon their religious beliefs.

What we have to work on is getting that point across to the general public. We have been unsuccessful in getting these people to understand that what they are asking for ultimately is a theocracy based upon Judeo-Christian belief, and I don’t think they realize that even they don’t really want that! It seems as if they are unable to look past their emotions on the issue at hand and see the big picture.

This law does have an exception if the life of the mother is at risk, so if it makes it to the Supreme Court it stands a better chance of being allowed than a complete ban would.

But I also think that Justices Thomas, Alito and Roberts are not the rightwing ideolouges they are portrayed to be.

While certainly conservative, Thomas has been very vocal in suporting individual rights, more soe than most of the 9. His dissent in the medical marijuana case is great reading.

Roberts and Alito are still unknowns, though certainly more likely to vote to support this ban.

While Alitos recent letter is somewhat troubling, it could also be read as being similar to the thank-you letter your parents make you write to your aunt for that hideous sweater she got you for a birthday present.

Roberts is still somewhat of a cypher, though he does make me nervous. We need to see him in action more to get a better read on him.

Even if this is upheld, this is a different world than pre-roe days, when abortion rights were universally banned in all states. I doubt many states would pass a complete ban, and states like Ca, NJ, NY, WI, etc, are not likely to impose anything more restrictive than they have now.

While definitely difficult for those involved, I think you will see a lot of ’state-line clinics’ opened up in neighboring states, followed by a gradual reversal of these bans, though that reversal may take decades to occur.

NZ is a great place to live. I’m very very glad I have the option to go live there any time I like. I can escape the theocracy in a matter of hours – provided they don’t ban atheists from flying

Gotta love conspiracy theories.

The taking of a human life or at least, a potential life, is murder no matter how you spin it but this term

My understanding is that “murder” is the unlawful killing of a person. While abortion is legal (or at least not illegal) it would seem not to fit the definition of murder.

I totally agree with “legal, safe, and rare” and would add affordable.

Likewise, total reproductive system dominancy must happen. No pregnant women drinking, smoking, driving, crossing the street, painting, drinking caffeine, being fat, not taking their vitamins, having a poor diet, being genetically defective, et cetera, as this all can cause an abortion as well. They all need imprisoned.

I am of course being sarcastic, but hopefully I have pointed out the false dichotomy.