SECULAR COMMUNITY’S RESPONSE TO THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYERThe Center for Atheism is proposing that on Thursday, May 4, 2006, the local Secular Community’s organizations, chapters, affiliates, individuals, etc. respond to the National Day of Prayer with their local Secular B.L.O.O.D. (Benefiting Lives Of Others Donations) program. The program consists of two activities, (1) blood donation program(2) organ donation sign-up program.BLOOD DONATIONTo find your local Blood Donation Centerhttp://www.americasblood.org/Bottom right of this web page, put in your zip codeto find your nearest Blood Donation Center.Organ Donation Sign Up ProgramTo download Organ Donation Form.http://www.donatelife.net/downloadables/pdf/become_donor_card.pdf
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I think donating blood is a constructive act. Done it many times. Also on the bone marrow list. Also organ donor (posthumously). But not because some group somewhere said that is how I demonstrate my goodness or citizenry. I object to being told that I?m supposed to donate, on this or any other day, which is what this proposal amounts to.
?See how good we atheists are, we don?t pray but we donate stuff.?
What’s wrong with that message?
Actually, I donate, too,
(Hey, I get a cookie and a glass of orange juice for doing so! Yay!)
and I understand the fine distinction that
Natasha is making.
What she (and I) object to,
is people being either goaded or shamed into donating, or, alternatively, “bragging” about being a good person for donating.
Yes, by all means donate every single part or fluid you can spare,
but only if you’re -certain- and that you’re -certain- that you are making the decision yourself.
Hi, 3E8,
Because it?s reactionary. Because it comes from an inferior position: we don?t pray but we?re still good; that we have to prove something, to ?them?.
Because I might be a fine atheist who cares not to donate. Or who chooses not to be ?represented? by this act. Because it implies that if I don?t donate there?s something wrong with my values. Or that I even have to acknowledge this stupid day.
Because the issue of praying has nothing to do with the issue of donating blood.
Because it?s an exhibitionistic statement. ?Look at me, look at me!?
If atheists want to have a day of blood donation, do it on another day when the act of donating can stand by itself in value, not as puny reaction to another thing, especially a lesser thing.
National day of prayer = national day of crap, worthy of being ignored. Much ado about nothing. This day will never become as egregious a violation of our rights as god on the money, and in oaths of office and justice.
National Natasha Nicely Said:
“National day of prayer = national day of crap, worthy of being ignored. Much ado about nothing. This day will never become as egregious a violation of our rights as god on the money, and in oaths of office and justice.”
Precisely.
Hi Hairless,
Glad you’re OK over there.
I don’t even weigh enough to donate blood
When the Red Cross people ask me to donate (like they can’t tell by looking at me that I don’t weigh nearly enough), I give a monetary donation instead. I am an organ donor though. Ingersoll said it best: “The hands that help are better far than lips that pray.”
I would donate to the group doing the blood drive that day but would have to drive over a hundred miles to do it.
But then when I read Natasha’s post I realized that I do a lot a of things in spite and reaction to xtians when they try to force things upon me well no more I will from now on not let them get to me no I will donate blood when I see fit I will donate to godless American political action committee I will start writing more and more letters to the editors that aren?t reactionary but hopefully will incite change and open thought.
I will challenge the status quoi we should all challenge the status quoi and forgot about reaction and petty disputes but look at the big picture put a different face to atheism then what we are presenting we should show all the positives atheist have done and are doing for society show the xtians masses that we are not devil worshipers that we are not trying to actively recruit there children with brainwashing like they do that unlike what people like phreedum and jcc think there is no secret atheist agenda no from now on I will be me fuck them if the cant accept that
fuck the day of prayer that day I will stand on a corner in the old market with my fossil collection and collection of bones and explain evolution for those that pass by or I will go to the zoo or the forest and witness the real world and reflect on biology not beg my favorite supernatural deity for what ever it is you beg for when you pray.
I’d say we are very tolerant. The last 4 blogs/forums that had christian webmasters either removed my posts or blocked my access. I never once cursed or made some ad hominem attack, just not pro-christian points.
p.s. I’ve informed my wife and she plans to donate blood May 4th now too:)
You know, thinking about it, I don’t understand why more Christians aren’t blood donors. I mean, how much more like Jesus can you be? A Christian sheds blood to save others. I mean the should be lined up around the block for a chance to be like Jesus.
Atheiststatic,
You make a bloody good point.
Xtians like to talk love but selfless action as their very lifestyle, forget about it.
What is the Center for Atheism? Where can I find out more about this proposed event and how to support it?
blood mobile comes to my campus all the time – i donate.
Natasha-
I agree with your point. It’s a VERY Nietzsche-esque position. What have you been reading? I don’t feel like we should peg ourselves to every movement theist politicos make. It makes more sense to me that we should just blaze our own trail. If we, as a group, feel like a National Day of Action is a good idea, lets just implement it on whatewver day we choose. I for one don’t give a damn about the Nat’l Day of Prayer. Might as well give atheists the day off though. That would certainly honor my beliefs about finitude
If we want to represent ourselves as positive, lets be positive – not reactionary.
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