http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20060104/D8ETOLJ00.htmlOK so I’m a day late.Yesterday Dover ended their saga and ensured their children would not be taught that “maybe God did it” is science. Bravo Board!
http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20060104/D8ETOLJ00.htmlOK so I’m a day late.Yesterday Dover ended their saga and ensured their children would not be taught that “maybe God did it” is science. Bravo Board!
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Hey guys,
I’m just popping back in here to share/recommend a really fantastic book for those of you who are interested in abiogenesis. It’s Peter Ward’s latest “Life As We Do Not Know It” and it covers all the amazing, paradigm shifting discoveries that have occurred in the field of astrobiology in the last five years. Ward does a really great job outlining all the known possibilities for life in the universe (carbon as well as silicone, acid, and gas based life) and he also explains just how close we are at creating life in the laboratory as well as pondering whether we already have (self replicating molecules are considered ‘life’ by some.)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670034584/002-9032932-1090463?v=glance&n=283155
I personally think it is quite arrogant and species-centric to think we are the only ones capable of emotions. It makes more sense in an evolutionary framework to posit animal emotions across species than to restrict them to ourselves.
I think theists like this idea because they feel they have been given dominion over the ‘beasts’ of the earth.
Its one of the reasopns I went vegan
R4D,
Thanks for the recommendation – always enjoy reading good works.
Personally, I think theists just like the idea that their lives have a “purpose”. I was arguing with a hardcore (albeit noobish) christian the other day, and she had the nerve to tell me that if she was atheist she wouldn’t have a purpose in life. I responded as such:
“So you’re telling me that unless you get a heavenly reward at the end of the day, you won’t do anything? Why can’t you make a purpose for yourself?”
And she promptly signed off MSN.
Evolution is the ONLY theory.
Intelligent Design IS bullshit.
Congratulations to Dover for having the sensibility to do what is correct and honest.
Dave I think The Iders insinuating their cause onto this site has been taken to it’s final conclusion. No more please.
JIM
Yeah, back to the topic!
Dover is a hero!
I never understood the conflation of motivation with purpose myself. Heaven/hell = motivational rewards whereas purpose might be as simple as wanting to swim the english channel or get to the last level of Zelda. Who needs God to have purpose in life?
The weak-minded, that’s who.
Back to topic: I hope this buries ID once and for all. Hence my references to it in the past tense earlier.
I doubt it will be gone forever, but it is a pleasant victory for the side of truth. Up here, however, things are going in the opposite direction.
Tim,
“Who the hell are you? Did I ask you what time of day it is?”
I am one that is fed up with the same old reteric that people like you spew all the time. If you can’t come up with something new or be a bit open minded, then just go away.
You can go teach what you want you want at home or in your church. Don’t go spreading lies and confusion in our public schools and we will not come into your churchs and tell you that your religion is full of it.
hey bill, Tim left awhile ago. . .
leestein, I agree with your comment:
“The other misconception is that evolution is “directed.”
Human beings are not more highly evolved than tapeworms. Both humans and tapeworms are merely highly specialized in very different directions. Evolution consists of adapting to the environment, not achieving a higher state of being.”
I think most people have a problem understanding they aren’t any better than other animals.
I don’t know why I bothered with Tim. He only comes to antagonize. This is why I’m so glad the gentleman pushed for teaching of the FSM so hard with Kansas. I truly appreciate someone showing that it’s a non-factual hypothesis just like creationism ID. Yes, macro evolution is a theory and when one piece of evidence(fossil) is found that makes the theory incorrect then the theory will be false and the fossil will show that macroevolution is not true. Of the billions of fossils found none have shown that evolution over millions of years has not happened and that the hierarchy of upright hominids is theoretically correct. That can’t be said of intelligent design because only xians think we are designed, not objective scientists.
Deadly:
damn, a good rant wasted:(
Oh well, just a waste of electrons on him anyway.
Off subject, read the news this morning, early and saw 12 people saved and one dead in the mine. People saying “See, prayers do work”.
My thought was “So, what about the guy that died? Did no one pray for him? You guys should be thanking the resuers, not some god” Then the news of the screw up.
Sad situation made even worst by putting these people on a roller coaster. But there should IMHO be no blame. No one intented to mislead people. It was a mistake, that I hope we all learn from.
Even if there were no fossil record whatsoever there would still be an unfathomably large body of evidence to support “macro” evolution (I hate that term btw – it’s just another creationist meme that has unfortunately infiltrated the common psyche.)
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In honor of samuel morse
I wonder at times why my views as an atheist are often not commented on while Tim who is not here to learn about our beliefs but to discredit them is given so much attention.
I was really enjoying getting to know fellow atheists but lately I have been talking to myself hahaha.
At least say hi Not ). Is it my handle? I can change it to Iamyourdaddy hehe.
Im afk watching rose bowl bbl.
notyourdaddy, could you please translate your morse code?
Not Your Daddy,
I think people like Tim and Phreedm (and even myself) get a lot of comments as they are a dissenting view, which allows opportunity for atheists to excersize their arguments. In some ways, having a couple of people dissenting makes the site (hopefully) vibrant, but sometimes frustrating. I like the name notyourdaddy. Why did you choose it? Have you had to deal with ID in a personal way?
notyourdaddy, only people that pray are talking to themselves.
You’re right spanders, it would be boring if everyone here agreed on everything.
Dover gets it right id is bogus
was wondering if i lost my touch. showing your age notyourdaddy.
transtlation:
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Bob Bill and spanders thanks for your comments. I should not have used morse code,, I have been practicing for my ham license, and code may not even be needed now for the lowest level permit. I have learned much on this blog and also sharpened my logic skills which help not only here but in life generally.
Thanks
billh:
I suspected there may be someone on this blog with a ham radio license.
Is this the case or did you learn it in the military or something?
I picked the name notyourdaddy because I chose not to have kids, therefore im nobodys daddy. I hope it doesn’t offend anyone as it was not made for that reason.
Faith means belief in a supernatural
being or beings. So technically mythology is past faiths and religions are current faiths. As time goes on new beliefs replace old beliefs and what is faith today will be looked at as myth in the future. Evolution would become a myth as well if new knowledge gave a different and better explanation of the evidence that has been found.
The oldest written documents can not explain the origins of life as they had little or no evidence or understanding of what evidence they did have.
It seems absurd to me to take a 2000 year old book as the absolute explaination of everything and then try to debunk current thought on the origins of and developement of life.
Old writings are good for understanding the people that lived in the past but should not trump current knowledge.