http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20060104/D8ETOLJ00.htmlOK so I’m a day late.Yesterday Dover ended their saga and ensured their children would not be taught that “maybe God did it” is science. Bravo Board!
http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20060104/D8ETOLJ00.htmlOK so I’m a day late.Yesterday Dover ended their saga and ensured their children would not be taught that “maybe God did it” is science. Bravo Board!
Tim,
“Who the hell are you? Did I ask you what time of day it is?”
I am one that is fed up with the same old reteric that people like you spew all the time. If you can’t come up with something new or be a bit open minded, then just go away.
You can go teach what you want you want at home or in your church. Don’t go spreading lies and confusion in our public schools and we will not come into your churchs and tell you that your religion is full of it.
hey bill, Tim left awhile ago. . .
leestein, I agree with your comment:
“The other misconception is that evolution is “directed.”
Human beings are not more highly evolved than tapeworms. Both humans and tapeworms are merely highly specialized in very different directions. Evolution consists of adapting to the environment, not achieving a higher state of being.”
I think most people have a problem understanding they aren’t any better than other animals.
I don’t know why I bothered with Tim. He only comes to antagonize. This is why I’m so glad the gentleman pushed for teaching of the FSM so hard with Kansas. I truly appreciate someone showing that it’s a non-factual hypothesis just like creationism ID. Yes, macro evolution is a theory and when one piece of evidence(fossil) is found that makes the theory incorrect then the theory will be false and the fossil will show that macroevolution is not true. Of the billions of fossils found none have shown that evolution over millions of years has not happened and that the hierarchy of upright hominids is theoretically correct. That can’t be said of intelligent design because only xians think we are designed, not objective scientists.
Deadly:
damn, a good rant wasted:(
Oh well, just a waste of electrons on him anyway.
Off subject, read the news this morning, early and saw 12 people saved and one dead in the mine. People saying “See, prayers do work”.
My thought was “So, what about the guy that died? Did no one pray for him? You guys should be thanking the resuers, not some god” Then the news of the screw up.
Sad situation made even worst by putting these people on a roller coaster. But there should IMHO be no blame. No one intented to mislead people. It was a mistake, that I hope we all learn from.
Even if there were no fossil record whatsoever there would still be an unfathomably large body of evidence to support “macro” evolution (I hate that term btw – it’s just another creationist meme that has unfortunately infiltrated the common psyche.)
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In honor of samuel morse
I wonder at times why my views as an atheist are often not commented on while Tim who is not here to learn about our beliefs but to discredit them is given so much attention.
I was really enjoying getting to know fellow atheists but lately I have been talking to myself hahaha.
At least say hi Not ). Is it my handle? I can change it to Iamyourdaddy hehe.
Im afk watching rose bowl bbl.
notyourdaddy, could you please translate your morse code?
Not Your Daddy,
I think people like Tim and Phreedm (and even myself) get a lot of comments as they are a dissenting view, which allows opportunity for atheists to excersize their arguments. In some ways, having a couple of people dissenting makes the site (hopefully) vibrant, but sometimes frustrating. I like the name notyourdaddy. Why did you choose it? Have you had to deal with ID in a personal way?
notyourdaddy, only people that pray are talking to themselves.
You’re right spanders, it would be boring if everyone here agreed on everything.
Dover gets it right id is bogus
was wondering if i lost my touch. showing your age notyourdaddy.
transtlation:
dover
gets
it
right
id
is
bogus
Bob Bill and spanders thanks for your comments. I should not have used morse code,, I have been practicing for my ham license, and code may not even be needed now for the lowest level permit. I have learned much on this blog and also sharpened my logic skills which help not only here but in life generally.
Thanks
billh:
I suspected there may be someone on this blog with a ham radio license.
Is this the case or did you learn it in the military or something?
I picked the name notyourdaddy because I chose not to have kids, therefore im nobodys daddy. I hope it doesn’t offend anyone as it was not made for that reason.
Faith means belief in a supernatural
being or beings. So technically mythology is past faiths and religions are current faiths. As time goes on new beliefs replace old beliefs and what is faith today will be looked at as myth in the future. Evolution would become a myth as well if new knowledge gave a different and better explanation of the evidence that has been found.
The oldest written documents can not explain the origins of life as they had little or no evidence or understanding of what evidence they did have.
It seems absurd to me to take a 2000 year old book as the absolute explaination of everything and then try to debunk current thought on the origins of and developement of life.
Old writings are good for understanding the people that lived in the past but should not trump current knowledge.
good night my friends have a great evening and better tommorrow.
NYD,
good night and great name. No offense is taken here I don’t think. Ah yes, a better tomorrow. Sounds good.
The Vatican’s Cardinal Paul Poupard said:
even the evil catholics recognize the scientific validity of evolution. without mentioning some of our theists guests by name, (like phreedm, tim and jcc)the “fundamentalist” label seems strong in their posts. there is no reasoning with a fundie.
as spanders said… dissenting views add some spice to the site. but blind faith adds nothing but wasted energy.
NYD wrote:
agreed, if fundies had their way the earth would still be viewed as the center of the universe since the bible doesn’t spell out the how the universe works. nor how anything works for that matter.
I for one enjoy tearing apart an ignorant theist, but I guess that makes me evil; it’s like beating on a handicapped kid.
Deadly,
Theists use reason when it suits them and faith when they don?t like reason. Then they give reasons why faith is superior. Hold this mirror up to them and they will shriek away from it. I conclude theists are vampires.
Interesting! Are you married? If so, did you just get lucky and find someone who also didn’t want children?
I heard a term for being childless by choice: “child-free.”
I’m interested in why some people choose not to have kids. Do you care to elaborate?
My DH and I chose to have only one child (and sometimes I joke that I had too many kids!) We’ve gotten a little bit of grief about not providing siblings for him, he’ll grow up selfish, etc. But, my husband is an only himself, and is very unselfish. I came very close to being child-free myself – was very happy with just me and DH and was afraid to change. As much as I love my son, there are times I think I’d be better off without a child. I don’t think I’m one of those naturally “motherly” types.
Pixel,
I?m fifty and never, ever wanted kids and never had any. My brother says I?m not really a woman because I love The Three Stooges.
More evidence for evolution -
Most of you do not much care for the usa president so you might enjoy this website:
http://www.bushorchimp.com/
notyourdaddy:
nope, boy scouts, back in the 60’s. got the vowels and some of the constanants, but had to cheat and look at the table for the rest.
Natasha, your vampire theory is pretty funny.
Bob, that website is pretty funny too.
Tim:
I see you’ve actually managed to get out of the well, with or w/o Lassie’s help.
Let’s see. I’ll play.
Let’s for a moment (operative phrase, indicative of a hypothesis), say that I accept your Intelligent Design theory.
I’d really like to talk to the designer please. Do you have his/her address? Email address?
I’d like to shake his/her hand. & provide a laundry list of obvious defects in the schema.
I’d also like a list of diplomas, credentials, that said designer possesses, if you’d be so kind.
Also, since the undertaking of said design was so vast & complex, I’m assuming that a panel of experts were consulted? If so, please provide their names, credentials, prior accomplishments, etc.
Me. Waiting. Patiently.
Grinning.
reluctantatheist,
According to the catholic grammer school nuns who brainwashed me, all that is required is “faith”.
answers.com definition of “faith”:
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
tim lets see if your are right
People are so gullible, they just accept what they hear and read without critical thought and Viola! god is now a “fact!” It is not, rather it is a fait accompli.
here i fixed what you said earlier
Haha, it’s funny to hear the words “gullible” and “critical thought” coming from the mouth (or fingers, in this case) of a guy who accepts the idea of an invisible, unproven, omnipotent, benevolent man in the clouds as the only answer to the universe. Tim, take a good look in the mirror. Maybe, like Natasha says, you’ll go away. . .
tim i dont think you have ever had a pet or worked with animals at all i used to work at one of the best zoos in the world Omahas Henry Doorly Zoo
and i helped out in the nursery and in other ares that actually had me in direct contact with animals they are more than capable of emotions and displaying those emotions the can also comunicate not only among there own species but between species and yes that includes higher primates such as humans
Tim-
But ID invokes a deity’s existence, i.e. a designer. SO to prove a design, you would need to prove a designer.
Present positive evidence then. (Something that I might add is impossible.)
You need to provide positive evidence to make a theory, something that is impossible as long as you proclaim something that is outside the realm of evidence. So, ID isn’t a theory.
Abilities and emotions are physiological. So is thinking. Emotions are caused by the levels of certain chemicals in the brain (take a chemistry class) and thinking is just energy in a constant state of movement as it reacts to the stuff in our brain.
Okay now that is done-
I don’t really understand why people are screaming about wanting an ID “theory.” The theory of natural selection allows for people to attribute nature to whatever they want whether it be nature, Yahweh, Allah, Brahman, or the FSM. Seriously, it boggles my mind.
The only real reason to want an ID “theory” pushed would have to be of a religious reason (violates the Establishment Clause). There’s no other reason.
Mesoforte,
Perfectly said.
I can’t wait to see Tim squirm out of that one. . .
well since tim doesnt thing he evolved then thats all he can do is squirm
that should be
Well since tim doesnt thinks he evolved then thats all he can do is squirm
Haha back to the topic:
Dover rules!
that it does
Udon wrote “tim i dont think you have ever had a pet or worked with animals at all…they (non human animals) are more than capable of emotions…”
I was a zoology major, worked in a pet store while in school, used to breed reptiles and fish, volunteered at the fantastic NC Zoo, and have always shared my life and home with numerous animals and I can assure you that many animals, especially mammals and birds, not only have emotions but that these emotions are identical or similar to what people feel. I am not flippantly anthropomorphizing animals but anyone who has lived with a dog, cat, or parrot or ever spent time with non human primates can attest to this. The emotional lives of animals is further evidence of our shared common ancestry and unlike xians who seem to be uncomfortable with this fact I fully embrace it and realize that humans are not special and seperate from other animals but are a part of the diversity of animal life which has evolved and is always evolving on earth.
Alex.
Natasha–
I?m fifty and never, ever wanted kids and never had any. My brother says I?m not really a woman because I love The Three Stooges.
LOL
I think he’s right – not wanting children doesn’t prevent you from being a “real” woman – but liking the 3 Stooges – that’s another thing! Maybe you should get your chromosomes checked out!
here is one of my fav lyrics !!!
“I WON”T BE FORCE FED PROPHECY FROM A BOOK OF UNTRUTHS FOR THE WEAK AT MIND ” Kerry King
RA,
I am disappointed. You have made a response, but it’s not up to your usual standards!
Of course you already know there are no answers to your questions because they are not properly formed. I expected better, my friend.
Why didn’t you ask me something relevant like if the evidence all around us points to purposeful design, why are people so afraid to admit even the POSSIBILITY of a creator? Forget about proving it for the moment and engage in the theorizing of the potential!
“Forget about proving it for the moment and engage in the theorizing of the potential!”
Activating Theist translator:
“I’ve got jack shit to back up my delusions, so I’ll appeal to the unknown and pretend that has any substance and validity at all.
Tim:
Done walked this road, many, many times.
It all boils down to the starting point: where’d it all begin?
All logical pre-suppositions should start at the beginning, like the telling of a good story.
You also seem to forget, my friend, that I, too, believed in what you believed.
Not ID, but in a mythic creature, a primal source, from whence all reality flowed from.
But then I grew up.
Baroque meritocracies are really just so much folderol.
The facts remain:
Scientifically unquantifiable.
I cannot subject it to my 5 senses, ergo, de nada.
I’m not afraid of admitting any such thing.
Burden of proof goes to the theist, & the theist only.
Just admit it, will you?
You want to be immortal.
Your dignity is offended by the idea of not being wet dust having its life force breathed into it by some noble anthropomorphic being, but actually having any sort of ancestor who swung from a tree.
Here, I’ll give you a bone:
Show me 1 place in nature, where spontaneous generation occurs.
That is, that life simply pops! into existence.
No parents. No creatures that precede it. Just BOOM!, & life is.
In the present. In the here & now.
I will then take your speculation under advisement.
Tim:
BTW -
Tu Quoque?