What a great Xmas! I went to NY, bought a watch on sale, saw the “holiday tree”, and couldn’t get my friends song out of my damn head.I also read a great article in Harpers about the Book of Thomas. I knew something about it before, but I found this article very interesting, and I’d like the comments from the NGB community.Thomas claims to be the brother of Jesus, and may be the best argument for the historicity for the existence Jesus as a man. This “gospel” was written in the correct time frame, and includes the secular teachings of Jesus, WITHOUT any reference to the crucifixion, ressurection, or any divinity whatsoever. These teachings also appear in M,M, L, and J, but are further “enhanced” by the divine story that we all know predates Christianity.The story is that the assemblers of the Bible didn’t like the secular teachings of Thomas, and so banned it and ordered its destruction. A copy was found about a century ago.What do you know about Thomas? Is this the smoking gun that should cause Christians to seriously reconsider their god’s deity, or a farce?
flanonblvr
“if science is such a problem for you then why not try this simple test as a new year’s resolution? as of Jan 1, swear off anything in your everyday life that science has made possible and pray instead to your god to replace it for you and take care of you. “
As i see it, God has blessed my life with all kinds of things to enjoy.
Why should i swear off things that God has given to me? And then pray to have them back?
God is the creator. Without him no man and no science.
GooseHenry:
“Why should i swear off things that God has given to me? And then pray to have them back?”
Oh, so science is okay as long as it doesn’t clash with scripture?
But if it doesn’t, it’s out?
Please!
GooseHenry:
“God is the creator. Without him no man and no science.”
Prove it.
Your statement takes -for granted- that there IS a God, which makes no reasonable sense, as it would require pretty strong evidence.
Scientists can prove their theories by making them applicable in practice.
Can preachers do the same?
I have seen machines fueled by petrol, electricity, solar power etc.
Oddly enough, I’ve yet to see a car run on prayer alone.
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“I’ve yet to see a car run on prayer alone.”
My first one, a 16 years old mazda 323, used to run on a balanced mix of flattering and obcenities!
HMDK
“Oh, so science is okay as long as it doesn’t clash with scripture?
But if it doesn’t, it’s out?
Please!”
I am afraid i’m not following you here. Did i say anything about this too?
“Prove it.
Your statement takes -for granted- that there IS a God, which makes no reasonable sense, as it would require pretty strong evidence”
No i don’t have to prove anything. Flanonblvr claimed that God is one thing, all the material things around us are another. I maintain that the material things around us are given by God.
None of us can prove our points, which you already knew.
But regarding science; i think science has done us much good. Really the only point where science and God clash are the ones which deal with our origins and so on. Since i know God i can’t accept something that goes against everything i am and everything i’ve learned.
Dave,
The Gospel of Thomas is simply a collection of sayings attributed to Jesus. It has no narrative. There is no concrete evidence to place it any further back than 200 CE. There is argument among scholars as to whether it can be placed earlier based on internal evidence. The question at stake is whether it shows any influence of the synoptic gospels.
Goose:
Oh, yes you do.
This burden of proof crap is uni-directional, my friend.
Burden of proof goes to the theist.
I don’t believe in the invisible abstract being. You do.
Prove it.
That’s the equivalent of my telling some derelict carrying on a discussion w/him- or herself, “Well, I can’t disprove that your imaginary friend doesn’t exist absolutely , so there’s a slim chance that he/she/it exists.”
Since I believe in “nothing”, I’ve got “nothing” to prove.
Few things in this life are absolute.
Gotta go w/the statistics, the measurable output.
I’ll take a 60% verification rate, thank you very much. Anything that’s 50-50 would be nice as well.
Hell, shadow of a doubt would be acceptable, as well.
Consult your oracle, & get back to me.
Geez, who’da thunk my comment would create so many responses???? Cool….
I totally agree with those who think “religion” and especially Christianity is weird. That’s because so many “Christians” (such as Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, and a host of other televangelists, etc) have made believers look like a bunch of tongue-talking, money-grubbing weirdos who want the world to “reach deep into yo pockets and give, give, give”…..
So much damage has been done by so many in the name of “religion”. And that’s exactly what Satan had in mind.
However, as a Messianic Jew, I see the Bible from a completely different perspective; one that actually makes sense. Naturally, dyed-in-the-wool atheists will argue your hind leg off that ANYTHING to do with “Jesus” is just plain nuts, etc, and will try to insist that science has disproved the Bible, etc, etc.
Well, if anybody’s interested, please read the following on my website, and maybe you can see things from a different perspective:
http://www.therefinersfire.org/atheists_evolution.htm
http://www.therefinersfire.org/science_and_bible.htm
http://www.therefinersfire.org/agnostic_conversations.htm
Carmen:
Satan. The other imaginary friend.
You never answered my query:
Are you a preterist, historicist, or futurist?
Hell, no.
“Science has disproved the bible”?
There ain’t any science IN the bible, darlin’.
Garbled compilation anthology o’ complete nonsense, it is.
Burden of proof is on the theist.
Bring proof. Not conjecture.
Carmen:
Sorry, m’dear. You’re a total ass.
You’re quoting Barton. Again, you’ve validated my point (as others have done here).
I’m not giving you the link to your page. You know which 1 I speak of.
Barton’s a tainted source.
I’d trust him as far as I could sling a piano.
Not to mention you’ve quoted Eusebius, another Xtian liar.
All you are is an echo in the echo media chamber.
Fade away. Like all pointless noise does.
Please.
Carmen:
Found this especially hysterical:
A. Leprosy isn’t contagious, &
B. How on earth can anyone prove any link, outside of sheer conjecture?
I found most of the crap on your website quite amusing. Especially the sophistic argument about the Bombadier beetle.
Thanx for the giggles.
P.S, if memory serves, your website was posted on this blog, about a mo. or 2 ago.
You’re obviously not well versed in anything remotely logical, like thinking critically.
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