ELLEN JOHNSON, President of American Atheists will be among the guests interviewed by veteran news and features journalist Barbara Walters this coming Tuesday, December 20, 2005 on an ABC special documentary, “Heaven — Where Is It? How Do We Get There?” The program airs on the ABC television network from 9:00 PM – 11:00 PM ET — check local listings.
r4d:
Seen the movie ‘Stealth’, yet?
No, too many people go into ‘Frankenstein’ mode when technology replaces them.
Hmmm…I’d heard that Shrub was a pretty good wingman before he went AWOL. Could he be…dare I say it…an evil ROBOT?
Muahahaahahahahahaha! (to coin a phrase).
I was watching O’Liley (*you have to keep up with what the enemy is doing and, while MediaMatters does a fine job, I feel the need to suffer from time-to-time by actually enduring that blow-hard’s drek*) when he had Baba as a guest! Yes, a few minutes ago….
Baba & Bill babbled on, and on and on about “heaven.” Baba says it is “the most important” special she has ever done (she must have had somebody try to forclose on one of her mansions). Anyway, Bill & Baba babbled on about sex-in-heaven.
The consensus is that Moslems get sex in the afterlife and Christians get to sit at the knee of their God and worship him.
Could I be wrong about this? I heard it- I saw it. Go through the logic with me, here – Christians get to sit at the knee of their God and worship Him (doesn’t this sound needlessly gay or teenaged girl adoration-ish?) and Moslems get 72 virgins….
Aside from the fact that virgins lack a lot of experience and I don’t want to spend eternity trying to teach them how to get themselves and me off…..doesn’t the deal seem a little perverterd?
I mentioned that Sufi poetry has some rather interesting erotica.
Hmm, heaven with or without sex?
Reminds me of the Atheist who had to give it up – nobody to talk to while getting a BJ.
Could television possibly find anything worse? I’d much rather watch the Yule-log burning for 4 hours on TV than have Baba go on and on and on about being and nothingness*. *with apoligies to Soren Kierkegaard.
Unfortunatly I had a social obligatgion I couldn’t get out of so I never saw the special. Anyone out there who did? Cpmments?
People of “faith” ask me all the time why I don’t believe. KKelly pretty much sums it up I think. In order for me to believe in such a thing one has to assume as true some very basic precepts of god.
1) At some point this ectoplasmic entity got bored. It was all alone in this nothingness and at some point decided not to be alone anymore.
2) It then, from all this nothingness, conjured up Angles, planets, galaxies counted in the billions containing an uncountable number of stars.
3) In the corner of one arm or one very average galaxie no where near the center of this universe it puts this little blue marble.
4) It then conjures up people and demands that these two get on their knees and worship it so that THEY can be happy and saved.
I don’t know about you folks but this doesn’t sound like any God that I would care to worship. Why in the world would it need US to worship it? Why wouldn’t it make it’s presense known, like once a century letting it “face” be seen floating in the sky? Everyone would believe then!
These stories sound more like someone defining a malevolent king or a rather ego maniacal father instead of an all powerful being capable of making all of this possible simply by wishing it so.
Total crap!
I just want to say thanks for the heads up on this program. If it weren’t for email/blog alerts I would miss most of the air time of a skeptic/atheist speaker because it doesn’t seem like MSM announces these speakers.
DUH! It’s TONIGHT, right? Talke about messing up my days!
Dave,
Why no thread yet for the Dover ID trial ruling?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/20/intelligent.design.ap/index.html
Mornin’ y’all.
Did anyone here see the show? I had to work late last night.
What color hair was Susan Blackmore sporting this time?
Oh Yeah
WE WON DOVER!!!!!
WHOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!
WHOOT!! WHOOOOOOT!!!
Those lying liars and the lies they tell!
What was that Mencken quote again, Phreedm?
Now we wait to hear from Pat. What kind of devastation is he going to send to Harrisburg?
I just watched FOX this morning and they are none too pleased about Dover. I guess the judge was pretty angry at the religious folks and actually said ik n the opinion that he thought they had selected memory or had commited perjury! They didn’t think this ruling would be appealed.
On another note. FOX is airing a show, on sunday I believe, about the true story of the birth of christ. No myths, just the real truth! No that should be something to watch! I guess it will be the rebutal for that heathen network ABC.
The bottom line for all forms of spiritualism is eternal life. We all know Bahbah and Billie are way too important to die and be nothing for eternity.
Damn those left wing, hippy activist judges. They are all going to Hell!
Believe and you will Believe
But if schools don’t teach religion, the poor kids are doomed to hell!
Where will they learn how to be saved?
Woot!
As I just posted on my site, this is a slap in the face to activists that seek to impose by the courts what they can not get through politics. This has happened to both the left, with suits against gun mfg.’s and the right with suits on imposing religion on children.
A pox on both of them.
kkelly,
We saw it the first time you posted … and the second … and the third …. etc
Stop reposting. It’s spam.
Do you actually have anything to say?
kkelly
We heard you the first time. If you need your mom’s advice to post, you probably don’t need to be here.
Cute baby on your website. Are you sure you want to wash her brain with that lie soap?
gently,
You mean g-lock? Yeah I’ve read that it can cause pilots to hallucinate and even pass out. That’s why those guys can only be up to certain height, lift weights like crazy (especially the legs,) and perform these crazy isometric exercises when they have to perform sharp, high speed turns. Otherwise all the blood rushes into the extremities and they black out.
That’s why the days of actual fighter pilots are numbered. They will soon be traded in for robot planes that can perform practically any maneuver at practically any speed. Scary Robots!
Luckily, there’s a new book out the will prepare you for the coming battle against these monsters:
http://www.robotuprising.com/home.htm
Muahahaahahahahahaha!
SO KKELLY your saying the EARTH is only 4000 years old !!!! well I guess those Dinosaurs were here and gone is like what 5 years !!!! ummm maybe you better read a HISTORY BOOK then rethink your HEAVENLY HYPOTHESIS????
Isn’t a hypothesis supposed to be testable?
Anyway, my sister sent me a fantastic 12 page article in the New Yorker about Margaret Talbot’s coverage of the Dover trial. And the judge is dead on – those school board members contradicted themselves so many times it was unreal. Plus, ID guru Michael Behe got his intellectual ass thoroughly kicked by defense attorney Eric Rothschild. It’s an amazing story and if you’re near a decent news stand or bookstore I highly recommend picking it up. Unfortunately the article is not online, but I did find a link to an interview with Margaret Talbot:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/articles/051205on_onlineonly01
Also, would you believe they’re actually talking about making a movie out of this? Paramount had a rep covering the trial and sending daily reports back to Hollywood. Rumor mill casts Tom Hanks as Judge Jones. History!!
This is just the beginning of the Secular Revolt, y’all. ID is finished!
On the ABC.COM website it has this from Ellen as to tonight’s show, “Heaven…”
“But for Ellen Johnson, president of the American Atheists, science or no science, heaven is a myth.
‘Heaven doesn’t exist, hell doesn’t exist. We weren’t alive before we were born and we’re not going to exist after we die. I’m not happy about the fact that that’s the end of life, but I can accept that and make my life more fulfilling now, because this is the only chance I have,’ she tells Walters. “
I doubt that there will be anything else in the show from Ellen. What, maybe 5 seconds?
JustinW
That was halarious. I think I shed a wee tear.
The sad part is that it is not far from “accurate”
Off the thread but science has won out over IDiotic mythology in PA…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10545387/
Alex.
Darrow-
‘Being and Nothingness’ was written by Sartre, I think you may have meant Kierkegaard’s ‘Fear and Trembling’.
JustinW
You just made my day. Hopefully I can just think of that post next time I have to hear the same revamped Xmas songs a million times in a row when I buy presents for a holiday I don’t believe in fpr people who actually believe that stuff.
Whats with that redoing all the same songs anyway? Is there a law against new Xmas songs? Its even worse when they try to ‘make it thir own’ like every other a-hole who sings the nat’l anthem.
Yay Dover. Thankfully at least some judges still understand the constitution.
Zac
I was listening to my Zen (iPod like thing) this morning while waiting for a Dr appointment. When i got to see the doc I told her that I had to use the Zen at all times as I’m allergic to Xmas songs
I don’t think she thought it was funny, even though she is Jewish.
r4d
You working late again? Cos tonight is the Baba Wawa Special. It starts in like, 30 minutes if you want to see it.
Thought I remembered you saying something way earlier about missing it.
karen,
Thanks. Yeah I got the days mixed up. (The last few weeks have been insane.) I’m headed home right now though. This is Portland so it starts later (or same time but later, or something.)
Truth be told I’m not sure if I want to subject myself to it. I hate BW and I hate goofy shows like this one, but I feel kinda obligated to watch Ellen. Not that I know the lady or anything, but… well you know.
r4d
I’m only watching because of Ellen myself, and to see what kind of a deal she gets…fair shake or raw. Not that I envision any fairness coming.
But I never (almost!) get to see any atheists on TV and I missed whatever the last thing was.
So far, the show’s fairly entertaining, but nothing new.
Hmmm….18 million Americans claim to have near death experiences and claim to have seen a slice of heaven.
There are also reports of people having near death experiences and seeing hell. It’s too bad Baba didn’t interview at least one of these people.
The last lady made a great statement.
She know’s her life has purpose. I don’t mean to be disrepectful at all but does an atheist believe their life has purpose? I would say not.
And from a position of compassion I find that extremely sad…