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		<title>By: Dagny</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2005/05/31/we_re_alone_on_this_one_we_re_right_anyw/comment-page-1#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Dagny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a person ends up in jail, then they probably weren&#039;t following their religion&#039;s moral standards anyway. Part of the punishment of being in prison should include not being able to get special privilages in order to practice one&#039;s religion. Any true believer will get creative and find a way to pray or follow their beliefs, and accept any limitations on this as part of their punishment.&lt;br /&gt;
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What&#039;s a chapel doing in a prison anyway? Atheists don&#039;t get a room for themselves, full of books on rationality, to have freethought meetings. I understand we&#039;re in the minority, but giving space to religion (even if the space is &quot;non-denominational&quot; to include all beliefs) without giving space or meeting time to non-believers is still favoritism, and a violation of the separation of church and state.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m still wondering why there&#039;s no holiday for Atheists. There&#039;s Darwin Day, but most people don&#039;t know about or acknowledge it, and that&#039;s technically a day for promoting science, and the teaching of science in the classroom. When will Atheists get a special holiday of their own? Why should the religions have a monopoly on claiming a special day off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a person ends up in jail, then they probably weren&#8217;t following their religion&#8217;s moral standards anyway. Part of the punishment of being in prison should include not being able to get special privilages in order to practice one&#8217;s religion. Any true believer will get creative and find a way to pray or follow their beliefs, and accept any limitations on this as part of their punishment.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s a chapel doing in a prison anyway? Atheists don&#8217;t get a room for themselves, full of books on rationality, to have freethought meetings. I understand we&#8217;re in the minority, but giving space to religion (even if the space is &#8220;non-denominational&#8221; to include all beliefs) without giving space or meeting time to non-believers is still favoritism, and a violation of the separation of church and state.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still wondering why there&#8217;s no holiday for Atheists. There&#8217;s Darwin Day, but most people don&#8217;t know about or acknowledge it, and that&#8217;s technically a day for promoting science, and the teaching of science in the classroom. When will Atheists get a special holiday of their own? Why should the religions have a monopoly on claiming a special day off?</p>
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		<title>By: AntiChristSuperstar</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2005/05/31/we_re_alone_on_this_one_we_re_right_anyw/comment-page-1#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>AntiChristSuperstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dagny,&lt;br /&gt;
You make an excellent point...one I overlooked:&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;What&#039;s a chapel doing in a prison anyway? Atheists don&#039;t get a room for themselves, full of books on rationality, to have freethought meetings. I understand we&#039;re in the minority, but giving space to religion (even if the space is &quot;non-denominational&quot; to include all beliefs) without giving space or meeting time to non-believers is still favoritism, and a violation of the separation of church and state.&lt;br /&gt;
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I suppose the only FAIR thing to do is to give all religions (christian, buddist, moslim, satanists, wiccans, American Indians etc) their OWN room free of other religion&#039;s iconry AND to give atheists their OWN room full of science books and free thought materials and allow them to hold in-prison meetings with access to outside visitors/mentors such as science teachers, anthropologists, geologists and other free-thinkers...just like the religious do with shuttling into our prisons countless preachers and missionarys to lead prayer, sing songs, bear witness, perform baptisms and save the souls of the damned.&lt;br /&gt;
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The above might sound FAIR, but highly impractical. The only real SOLUTION is to eliminate special privileges to all. No chapels, no atheist rooms, no american indian sweat lodges, no satanic alters, etc, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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And yes, atheists do need a special day, but not one officially acknowledged by the government. And the national day of prayer needs to be repealed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dagny,<br />
You make an excellent point&#8230;one I overlooked:<br />
&#8220;What&#8217;s a chapel doing in a prison anyway? Atheists don&#8217;t get a room for themselves, full of books on rationality, to have freethought meetings. I understand we&#8217;re in the minority, but giving space to religion (even if the space is &#8220;non-denominational&#8221; to include all beliefs) without giving space or meeting time to non-believers is still favoritism, and a violation of the separation of church and state.<br />
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<p>I suppose the only FAIR thing to do is to give all religions (christian, buddist, moslim, satanists, wiccans, American Indians etc) their OWN room free of other religion&#8217;s iconry AND to give atheists their OWN room full of science books and free thought materials and allow them to hold in-prison meetings with access to outside visitors/mentors such as science teachers, anthropologists, geologists and other free-thinkers&#8230;just like the religious do with shuttling into our prisons countless preachers and missionarys to lead prayer, sing songs, bear witness, perform baptisms and save the souls of the damned.</p>
<p>The above might sound FAIR, but highly impractical. The only real SOLUTION is to eliminate special privileges to all. No chapels, no atheist rooms, no american indian sweat lodges, no satanic alters, etc, etc.</p>
<p>And yes, atheists do need a special day, but not one officially acknowledged by the government. And the national day of prayer needs to be repealed.</p>
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		<title>By: PusBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>PusBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on this one.  Simply more pressure to get folks to &quot;believe.&quot;  Because everyone knows, even if they believe in something else now, they&#039;ll eventually start believing in Jesus.  Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this one.  Simply more pressure to get folks to &#8220;believe.&#8221;  Because everyone knows, even if they believe in something else now, they&#8217;ll eventually start believing in Jesus.  Right?</p>
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		<title>By: trainer343</title>
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		<dc:creator>trainer343</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thats not right. Their in jail becouse they screwed up. now I&#039;m sorry, but arn&#039;t they in there for punishment? they can prey in their cells. sorry if I sound like an ass, but why should they get anymore than that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats not right. Their in jail becouse they screwed up. now I&#8217;m sorry, but arn&#8217;t they in there for punishment? they can prey in their cells. sorry if I sound like an ass, but why should they get anymore than that?</p>
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		<title>By: anadrol</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2005/05/31/we_re_alone_on_this_one_we_re_right_anyw/comment-page-1#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>anadrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree they should have no extra rights above and beyond anyone else. If something clashes with their beliefs then they should have to get creative. Furthermore if they were not allowed to practice their beliefs in prison surely this would make their time harder and act as a larger deterant to ending up there in the first place. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree they should have no extra rights above and beyond anyone else. If something clashes with their beliefs then they should have to get creative. Furthermore if they were not allowed to practice their beliefs in prison surely this would make their time harder and act as a larger deterant to ending up there in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Crime and Religion&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;NoGodBlog.com has a good post addressing the Supreme Court&#039;s decision to uphold the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act. Essentially, this legislation protects prisoners&#039; religious freedom by granting them special rights. The folks a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Crime and Religion</strong><br />NoGodBlog.com has a good post addressing the Supreme Court&#8217;s decision to uphold the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act. Essentially, this legislation protects prisoners&#8217; religious freedom by granting them special rights. The folks a&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AntiChristSuperstar</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2005/05/31/we_re_alone_on_this_one_we_re_right_anyw/comment-page-1#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>AntiChristSuperstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people in prison did not find god. I think that god found THEM.&lt;br /&gt;
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I just wonder about the rights of Atheists in prison...probably are none.&lt;br /&gt;
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Can you imagine and atheist being cellmates with some religious wacko who hangs up crucifixes and religious iconry on his half of the cell and prays, chants and recites verses out loud...?&lt;br /&gt;
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I think I&#039;d be busy making myself a shank out of a comb or something...LOL&lt;br /&gt;
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But really...what about this hypothetical situation? Where are the Atheist&#039;s rights to freedom from this &quot;cruel and unusual punishment&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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I suppose its his bible thumping cellmates &quot;right&quot; to impose his religion on him, even if indirectly.&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a lot of things they should not be able to do or have in their cells (especially if shared)...and a bible and religious iconry is just a few of them. &lt;br /&gt;
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They can go to the chapel for that if they like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people in prison did not find god. I think that god found THEM.</p>
<p>I just wonder about the rights of Atheists in prison&#8230;probably are none.</p>
<p>Can you imagine and atheist being cellmates with some religious wacko who hangs up crucifixes and religious iconry on his half of the cell and prays, chants and recites verses out loud&#8230;?</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;d be busy making myself a shank out of a comb or something&#8230;LOL</p>
<p>But really&#8230;what about this hypothetical situation? Where are the Atheist&#8217;s rights to freedom from this &#8220;cruel and unusual punishment&#8221;.</p>
<p>I suppose its his bible thumping cellmates &#8220;right&#8221; to impose his religion on him, even if indirectly.</p>
<p>There is a lot of things they should not be able to do or have in their cells (especially if shared)&#8230;and a bible and religious iconry is just a few of them. </p>
<p>They can go to the chapel for that if they like.</p>
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		<title>By: mayfly</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2005/05/31/we_re_alone_on_this_one_we_re_right_anyw/comment-page-1#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>mayfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Activism in atheism in America today is too scattershot. Don&#039;t criticize &quot;Americans United for SOCAS&quot; for small failures along the way,at least they keep hammering.EVERY atheist group should contribute with letters, at least, to every insurgence that the Religious Right makes into tax supported issues.I don&#039;t see &quot;American Atheists&quot; in the news--- why not? All of us must push together for Separation Of Church And State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Activism in atheism in America today is too scattershot. Don&#8217;t criticize &#8220;Americans United for SOCAS&#8221; for small failures along the way,at least they keep hammering.EVERY atheist group should contribute with letters, at least, to every insurgence that the Religious Right makes into tax supported issues.I don&#8217;t see &#8220;American Atheists&#8221; in the news&#8212; why not? All of us must push together for Separation Of Church And State.</p>
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		<title>By: mayfly</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2005/05/31/we_re_alone_on_this_one_we_re_right_anyw/comment-page-1#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>mayfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Dagny - prisoners are human beings,some wrongly convicted.Under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they may practice their beliefs.But the government should not have to provide paraphernalia for them at tax payer expense - - why not arrange visitation rights from their CERTIFIED religious advisers, priests or pastors?It would soon cut off spurious requests,and it would TEST the true dedication of visiting clergy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Dagny &#8211; prisoners are human beings,some wrongly convicted.Under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they may practice their beliefs.But the government should not have to provide paraphernalia for them at tax payer expense &#8211; - why not arrange visitation rights from their CERTIFIED religious advisers, priests or pastors?It would soon cut off spurious requests,and it would TEST the true dedication of visiting clergy.</p>
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		<title>By: AntiChristSuperstar</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2005/05/31/we_re_alone_on_this_one_we_re_right_anyw/comment-page-1#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>AntiChristSuperstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayfly,&lt;br /&gt;
They may have a right to practice their beliefs, but the issue is providing them a special room (chapels)and special rights and accomodations apart from atheists.&lt;br /&gt;
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I strongly question as to whether they should have this right at all while in prison...after all the bill of rights also affords them the right to keep and bear arms, and protection against illegal, unwarranted searches and seizures...&lt;br /&gt;
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A few parts of the constitution and bill of rights simply does not apply to prisoners and our military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayfly,<br />
They may have a right to practice their beliefs, but the issue is providing them a special room (chapels)and special rights and accomodations apart from atheists.</p>
<p>I strongly question as to whether they should have this right at all while in prison&#8230;after all the bill of rights also affords them the right to keep and bear arms, and protection against illegal, unwarranted searches and seizures&#8230;</p>
<p>A few parts of the constitution and bill of rights simply does not apply to prisoners and our military.</p>
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